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There are 23 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. Delorean Club In Los Angeles?
           From: jeremysmail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
      2. Re: re:ss frame
           From: "Dan RC30" <Danrc30@xxxxxxxxxxx>
      3. Re: DeLorean in new Comic Strip and Old Book
           From: Josh Haldeman <jhaldeman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
      4. Re: DeLorean Car Covers
           From: Soma576@xxxxxxx
      5. Re: Original Dealers [in Texas]
           From: kenworth_77@xxxxxxxxxxx
      6. Re: Tow Dolly v. Car Carrier
           From: "jtrealty@xxxxxxxxxxx " <jtrealty@xxxxxxxxxxx>
      7. Re: exhaust manifold
           From: "carte blanche limousine" <carteblanche@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
      8. Re: silly question... - Does DeLorean own his own car
           From: Marc A Levy <malevy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
      9. Re: In response to Claude's "State laws" message ...
           From: Farrar Hudkins <smeghead79@xxxxxxxx>
     10. Re: Delorean Club In Los Angeles?
           From: "Scott Mueller" <scott.a.mueller@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
     11. I have to tell you guys..!
           From: "Lance B. Bowman" <spaceace@xxxxxx>
     12. Re: Starting trouble, any ideas?
           From: dherv10@xxxxxxx
     13. Re: Starting trouble, any ideas?
           From: "jtrealty@xxxxxxxxxxx " <jtrealty@xxxxxxxxxxx>
     14. Re: Re: Original Dealers [in Texas]
           From: lovdmc12@xxxxxxx
     15. Re: ss frame and metal detectors
           From: "Tom Niemczewski" <tomcio@xxxxxxxxxxx>
     16. Re: Fascia Paint
           From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe@xxxxxxx>
     17. Re: Starting trouble, any ideas?
           From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe@xxxxxxx>
     18. upper door seal
           From: Delorean17@xxxxxxx
     19. Justin and others recommending car carriers
           From: Farrar Hudkins <smeghead79@xxxxxxxx>
     20. Re: exhaust manifold
           From: "Don Ekhoff" <ekhoff@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
     21. Re: Re: Tow Dolly v. Car Carrier
           From: "Scott Mueller" <scott.a.mueller@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
     22. Re: DOA membership worthwhile?
           From: Bob Brandys <oehcs@xxxxxxxxx>
     23. Re: Re: Original Dealers [in Texas]
           From: delorean31@xxxxxxx


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Message: 1
   Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 02:46:33 -0000
   From: jeremysmail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Delorean Club In Los Angeles?

I can't seem to find a Delorean club in the L.A. area. This can't be
correct, can it?

The closest I can find is Arizona and Northern California. Neither
are close enough for me.

If there is no L.A. club how can this be correct? With the possiable
exception of Texas ther must be more Deloreans here in Southern
California then any other location.

I guess L.A. people are just got as social as the rest of you.


Jeremy







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Message: 2
   Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 17:39:57 -1000
   From: "Dan RC30" <Danrc30@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: re:ss frame

What is this you guys are all talking about with iron triggering stoplights?
I live NJ, and we have strips under the pavement that sense the weight of
the vehicle. Can someone please clarify? Were you originally talking about
stoplights as far as them being brakelights? (I really wasn't following this
thread too closely... but I read Jevin's message and now I'm confused...) If
so, why don't you just ask Bryan Pierce? I'm sure he could settle this...

---Dan



Message: 2
   Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 18:04:14 -0600
   From: "Kevin Creason" <dmc4687@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: re:ss frame

I didn't by a stainless steel fridge because I couldn't stick my kids
artwork up! :)
Seriously though, if you had an aluminum or stainless frame, I don't know if
you could trigger stop lights. I can remember my buddy and I sitting at a
stop light for AGES on our Ninja's, 1000cc's between us. It wasn't until a
car pulled up behind that it changed......
I doubt that there is more iron in a DMC w/out the frame than two crotch
rockets.


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Message: 3
   Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 23:16:26 -0500
   From: Josh Haldeman <jhaldeman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DeLorean in new Comic Strip and Old Book

Interesting "drawing" of the car in the first frame of this cartoon.  You'll
notice that even though the doors are both shut in this frame, the
reflection of a raised passenger side door is still visible in the
windshield!  How strange.  It would seem that the artist didn't quite do
enough editing to the photo he used, or just plain didn't understand what he
was looking at when referencing it.
    Oh well, as they say, details, details!
        -Josh
        VIN 5102
        VIN 15964



Mike Substelny wrote:

> This week the comic strip "This Modern World" features a DeLorean.  You
> can read the strip in many college newspapers, and online in Salon
> Magazine:
>
> http://www.salon.com/comics/tomo/2001/01/16/tomo/index.html




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Message: 4
   Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 02:05:16 EST
   From: Soma576@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: DeLorean Car Covers

augh!!!! i just talked to Mr. Blichtmann and they are all sold out!!

anyone have a spare they want to sell for the same price?!?!? :-)

Andy

Soma576@xxxxxxx
1982 DeLorean DMC-12 VIN#11596
Fargo, ND 58102


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Message: 5
   Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 07:35:36 -0000
   From: kenworth_77@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Original Dealers [in Texas]

Quick Question concerning the Dealers. Were there any dealers or
dealerships in Texas. If so could you list all of them (if there were
any) Thanks!!

Jason J.
Kemco Industries
Fort Worth, Texas



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Message: 6
   Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 03:22:29 -0000
   From: "jtrealty@xxxxxxxxxxx " <jtrealty@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Tow Dolly v. Car Carrier

In regard to calling my car a "trailer queen" I have to take offense.
While it is true I have trailered it, it was done for several reasons
including, having my family with me, not having to spend 2 days
cleaning it so I could take 1st place and 2nd place in the concours(I
guess they do judge the trailer queens hard) not putting more than
2000 miles on it per year (because of insurance), I like to take it to
local car shows and cruise nites so putting over 1000 miles on it just
for 1 show seemed absurd, to limit the possibility of hurting it on
the long drive back and forth, not knowing what the weather would be
like enroute, etc. I also enjoy driving as evidenced by going on the
Rhode Island tour. I intend to preserve the car in pristine condition
for a long time and trailering helps me do that and participate in
shows that are not in my local area. I dare say my car is more
reliable than my daily driver as it is in like new condition and low
mileage. I believe that some examples should be perserved and not by
museums. I think the Marque is best served by presenting to the public
a Delorean that is in excellent condition than some of the worn out
drivers and parts cars that I have seen. I am sure that Ken Koncilick
would agree that it is nice to have pristine cars to compare against
and to show the public that although Deloreans are 20 years old there
are still some nice ones out there. If you think I'm nuts then you
haven't seen a Jaguar concours or a Corvette concours. The levels of
restoration are beyond what the factory created. By the way it is an
enclosed trailer.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757


--- In dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxx, "Scott Mueller" <scott.a.mueller@xxxx>
wrote:
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> driven the DeLorean.  The judges are much more critical of Trailer
Queens.
>
> Scott Mueller
> DOA/DMCNEWS
> 002981




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Message: 7
   Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 21:52:30 +0100
   From: "carte blanche limousine" <carteblanche@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: exhaust manifold

contact custom chrome in UK at 00.44.1203387808. E-mail me before ordering
because I need also one ans its degressive price for 5 units. Ask Simon from
UK DMC club how it looks like. It's great and like lotus would have done for
the DMC...


Cyril from France
VIN 1804

----- Message d'origine -----
De : Willie Mack <wmack@xxxxxx>
À : <dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Envoyé : mercredi 17 janvier 2001 20:43
Objet : [DML] exhaust manifold


>
> Does anyone know of any replacement manifolds out there for the D?  I'm
> looking to scrap the cast iron ones for some aluminums, if i can find
them?



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Message: 8
   Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 09:14:04 -0500
   From: Marc A Levy <malevy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: silly question... - Does DeLorean own his own car

I dont thin Kathryn was totally honest...

Dan, you want to chime in here?


CIAsleeper22@xxxxxxx wrote:
>
> I was talking to Kathryn DeLorean at the Cleveland show this summer and I
> asked if she would autograph my car for me. As she was sitting in it she told
> me that this had been the first time she had actually sat in a DeLorean since
> she was five years. I would assume from that statement that John Z has not
> owned one of his own cars in quite a while.
>
> Poor guy :(



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Message: 9
   Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 11:52:38 -0600
   From: Farrar Hudkins <smeghead79@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: In response to Claude's "State laws" message ...

What an undertaking!  I will be driving through bits of Washington,
Oregon, Idaho, Utah, Wyoming, Colorado, New Mexico, and Texas, missing
Oklahoma by mere inches ... and finally arrive here in Louisiana.

I'm off to search for cheap hotels ... Meanwhile, the insurance quest
continues .... :P

Thanks for the tip!

- Farrar Hudkins


> Message: 10
>    Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 05:55:51 -0000
>    From: "Claude " <CBL302@xxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: Towing v. Driving with a bad ex. man. gasket ... :\
>
> >Re: Towing v. Driving with a bad ex. man. gasket ... : >
>
> >>Instead of using a tow dolly (only raises 2 wheels off the ground)or
> > > spending the hundreds of dollars on flat bedding/towing your new
> > > purchase there is another alternative. What I did when I got my D
> > > (was not drivable at ALL) was I went to the local Uhaul place and
> > > rented a full car caddy.
>
> Here in Connecticut(check the laws of the states you will pass thru)
> it is illegal to tow a unregistered motor vehicle unless all wheels
>



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Message: 10
   Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 08:16:54 -0600
   From: "Scott Mueller" <scott.a.mueller@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Delorean Club In Los Angeles?

Check out the DeLorean Owners Association "DOA".  They have gatherings and
outings throughout the year.  In fact, since you live in the area, it may be
possible for you to participate in the Board meetings.

Scott Mueller
DOA/DMCNEWS
002981
----- Original Message -----
From: <jeremysmail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 8:46 PM
Subject: [DML] Delorean Club In Los Angeles?


> I can't seem to find a Delorean club in the L.A. area. This can't be
> correct, can it?
>



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Message: 11
   Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 07:30:51 -0800
   From: "Lance B. Bowman" <spaceace@xxxxxx>
Subject: I have to tell you guys..!

Member, owners,

 I met with Brandon in KY last night to look at his Delorean (my first
up-close look anyway), and I was blown away by the cleanliness of the car,
this thing is immaculate. (He said it was filthy, go figure..<G>)

 He was very kind in letting me paw his car and ask silly questions, drool,
take pictures, ask more silly questions, drool, etc. I also got a good look
at Jim Varney's Delorean and more parts.

 I have to say, the Delorean MUST be seen in person to be appreciated fully,
as the pictures don't do it justice. I know you owners out there are rolling
your eyes about now listening to me spout about this car, but I have to have
one now. That short meeting cemented the fact that I must own one before I
die. <G>

 I just wanted to say thanks to the mailing list and to members who have
been so helpful, and to Brandon for all the above. You guys are all class
acts!

Lance B. Bowman





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Message: 12
   Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 07:41:11 EST
   From: dherv10@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Starting trouble, any ideas?

Jay, How long has it been sitting or not running, could be something as
simple as needing gas or new gas or gas lines stopped up. Look for the most
obvious. An easy way to see if it's getting gas would be to take the two
phillips screws out of the cold start valve, lift it out and see if it's
squirting gas when you try to crank it. Once your sure it's not gas then it's
time to go to the ignition coil and while a friend cranks on the car see if
it's getting fire from the distributor to the coil, then check the plugs for
fire. If they are getting fire then pull the plugs and see if they are
fouled. This is where I would start. There are several other things that will
keep the car from starting but this is what I do 1st.
John Hervey
www.specialTauto.com
11004,6935,6568
 



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Message: 13
   Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 15:10:06 -0000
   From: "jtrealty@xxxxxxxxxxx " <jtrealty@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Starting trouble, any ideas?

I would start out step by step starting with the starter. Why doesn't
it work? Is the starter bad or is there a wiring problem that is also
affecting the ignition circuit? It sounds like there is no high
voltage. There are no shortcuts, you must troubleshoot and repair the
problems one by one in a logical order. To get the motor to run you
must have fuel, ignition, and a mechanicaly sound engine. The buzzing
you hear is probably the frequency valve in the fuel circuit which
would be a good indicator that the missing ingredient is ignition.
Check out the start and primary ignition circuits.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757



--- In dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxx, badgeman46@xxxx wrote:
>    I just "rescued" vin 16072 last week. The car needs lots of love,
> I picked it up from a 17 year old kid who was doing quite a hack job
> on the car. The interior has new pieces, but everything is sloppy
and
> what not. Everything seems to be "repairable" but the car won't
start.
>   
>     The starter is no good, so we pushed the car down the road and
> popped the clutch, the engine was turning, but not firing. I could
> hear the fuel pump running, and I could here a buzzing, like a relay
> or something, but that was it. Anyone know if there is anything
> simple or common that I should check before I start dismantling
> things? Possibly something electrical?
>
> -Jay
> Vin 16072




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Message: 14
   Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 13:57:07 EST
   From: lovdmc12@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Re: Original Dealers [in Texas]

There are 25 dealers listed in Texas.  Email me privately if you'd like to of
one in your area.

Brian
VIN 1597



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Message: 15
   Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 14:45:21 -0500
   From: "Tom Niemczewski" <tomcio@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: ss frame and metal detectors

Hi, I hope this will close this thread once and for all!!

Here in Florida we have metal detectors on every intersection! They sense
that a car is waiting for a green light and change the lights. BUT I
intentionally said METAL detectors. Who had the idea that those are iron
detectors? That makes no sense at all. Kevin Creason said that he had a
problem triggering the detector on a motorcycle. That is not because there
is low content of iron in a bike, that because the bike is so small compared
to a car. Look at the detector loop installed at an intersection, it's
rectangular. If you stop your bike right in the middle it will not 'see'
you, but if you stop over the embeded wire it will detect even a bicycle!
Those are metal detectors and metal detectors detect all kinds of metals no
only iron. (METAL detectors - not iron detectors) So, as long as the frame
is made of metal OR as long as your suspension is made of metal OR as long
as you have metal engine OR you have metal body panels you will have no
problem triggering the detector - ANY metal, that is (well maybe not
mercury, I don't think it will work to make car parts out of it). ;o)
If you don't belive me, just go to a store and buy a metal detector, it's
the same thing as the one used to trigger the lights... just the loop is
smaller. Now, try and see if it will detect iron only or if it detects all
metals. Have fun.

Take care everybody
Tom Niemczewski
vin 6298
tomcio@xxxxxxxxxxx

>    From: "Kevin Creason" <dmc4687@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Seriously though, if you had an aluminum or stainless frame, I don't know
if
> you could trigger stop lights. I can remember my buddy and I sitting at a
> stop light for AGES on our Ninja's, 1000cc's between us. It wasn't until a
> car pulled up behind that it changed......
> I doubt that there is more iron in a DMC w/out the frame than two crotch
> rockets.




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Message: 16
   Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 15:51:39 -0500
   From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Fascia Paint

The paint codes for the fascia's are obsolete. Any competent auto paint
facility can match your existing color.

"We're here to help you"

DMC Help / De Lorean Services / <dmchelp@xxxxxxx>
Web Site: (TEMPORARY)<www.geocities.com/dmcjoe>

----- Original Message -----
From: W.D.SEARLS, JR. <Buckeye99@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: <dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 6:47 PM
Subject: [DML] Fascia Paint


> I need to paint my front and rear fascias. They aren't warping so I don't
> need to replace them, all I need to know is the paint brand and color
code.
>
> Joel





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Message: 17
   Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 16:01:13 -0500
   From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Starting trouble, any ideas?

Jay,

Under normal conditions the DeLorean cannot be jump started the way you
describe because the fuel pump only receives power when the starter is being
cranked. I would strongly suggest that you correct the starter problem
before attempting to start the car.

FYI: The DeLorean factory installed starters have an extremely low failure
rate.

DMC Joe

"We're here to help you"

DMC Help / De Lorean Services / <dmchelp@xxxxxxx>
Web Site: (TEMPORARY)<www.geocities.com/dmcjoe>

----- Original Message -----
From: <badgeman46@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 7:57 PM
Subject: [DML] Starting trouble, any ideas?


>    I just "rescued" vin 16072 last week. The car needs lots of love,
> I picked it up from a 17 year old kid who was doing quite a hack job
> on the car. The interior has new pieces, but everything is sloppy and
> what not. Everything seems to be "repairable" but the car won't start.
>



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Message: 18
   Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 16:04:22 EST
   From: Delorean17@xxxxxxx
Subject: upper door seal

Hello List,
    I bought upper door seals for my car from PJ Grady a long time ago but
never got around to installing them.  myne are thrashed.  I have the new
pop-rivets but was wondering how you got the old ones out.  Also, my pop
riveter will not fit into that little of an area. Do the torsion bars have to
be removed to do this or is there a riveter that will fit?  I've done my
T-bars so many times It only takes a few minutes now anyways.

THANKS
Dave
#2496-



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Message: 19
   Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 15:44:49 -0600
   From: Farrar Hudkins <smeghead79@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: Justin and others recommending car carriers

Hi, all ...

Since the trip is over 2,000 miles, if I can't drive it, I'll have it
shipped.  I couldn't tow anything with my car, nor would I want to for
that long a drive!

So ... any suggestions on who to have transport the car?

Thanks in advance, and btw, I've finished reading the backissues!  :)

Farrar "Doc" Hudkins
Future owner, perhaps, of VIN 980 ...



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Message: 20
   Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 13:27:20 -0800
   From: "Don Ekhoff" <ekhoff@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: exhaust manifold

As a group we should all jump on getting an economical batch of these made,
Jet-Coat and all.  I will sign up for two sets.
Don Ekhoff


----- Original Message -----
From: "carte blanche limousine" <carteblanche@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2001 12:52 PM
Subject: Re: [DML] exhaust manifold


> contact custom chrome in UK at



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Message: 21
   Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 12:56:48 -0600
   From: "Scott Mueller" <scott.a.mueller@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Re: Tow Dolly v. Car Carrier

David, I was strictly referring to my experience at many car shows when I
said "trailer queen", and my post was not directed at you or was it about
you personaly.   No matter what type of show I have been to, cars in the
same class are judged by different standards, if the car was trailered, then
road grime may cost you points.  Though I have not show my car in Concours I
have won many first place awards.  And these awards were won in classes that
included Jags and 'vettes to name two.  My point was that I enjoy driving my
car rather than trailering it.  This last summer, me and my 6 year old son
drove to Cleveland, my wife came by plane.  When we go to the Memphis show,
I intend to drive the D and my wife will drive one of our other vehicles.
I'm sorry for you if you were offended.
Scott Mueller
DOA/DMCNEWS
002981
----- Original Message -----
From: <jtrealty@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 9:22 PM
Subject: [DML] Re: Tow Dolly v. Car Carrier


> In regard to calling my car a "trailer queen" I have to take offense.

Snip

If you think I'm nuts then you
> haven't seen a Jaguar concours or a Corvette concours. The levels of
> restoration are beyond what the factory created. By the way it is an
> enclosed trailer.
> David Teitelbaum
> vin 10757
>
>
> --- In dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxx, "Scott Mueller" <scott.a.mueller@xxxx>
> wrote:
> --
> > driven the DeLorean.  The judges are much more critical of Trailer
> Queens.
> >
> > Scott Mueller
> > DOA/DMCNEWS
> > 002981





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Message: 22
   Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 15:55:18 -0600
   From: Bob Brandys <oehcs@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DOA membership worthwhile?


I have belonged to the DOA for almost 10 years.  Even though some people have person opinions
that are different than the DOA,  the fact remains that if DeLorean owners do not stick
together to support the vehicle,  all owners will eventually suffer.

The DOA puts out one of the finest car club magazine I know.  We below to 5 different clubs
and the Delorean magazine is the best, with Camaro World a close second.

I would hope that John DeLorean gets a copy of the magazine every month.  I give us a chance
to communicate to him how much we enjoy that car.


Bob




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Message: 23
   Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 14:54:26 EST
   From: delorean31@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Re: Original Dealers [in Texas]

Seeing all these questions regarding the original dealers, I do have an extra
original dealers pamphelt that lists all the dealers.  It is in mint
condition and in a protective sleeve.  If someone is interested in it make me
an offer privately.  I might put it on ebay.

Gary


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