RE: [DMCForum] Re: The Constitution Is an Illusion Part II
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RE: [DMCForum] Re: The Constitution Is an Illusion Part II



Speaking of the numbers game, here's another one along the same lines I
wrote a few years ago. It has a life of its own, as I've actually had it
forwarded back to me several times:

-Dave

Tax Cuts for the Rich?

Thanks to fuzzy math, the Democrats can always say that the rich would be
getting more. Let's use an example:

Someone who makes $25,000 per year, and currently pays $2,500 a year in
taxes pays 10%. Let's cut that in half, and say they pay 5%, or $1250.

Now take someone who makes $1,000,000 per year pays 50%, or $500,000. Give
them only a 0.5% tax cut (49.5%), and they would pay $495,000.

Liberals would complain that the 'rich' person will still 'make' FOUR TIMES
the 'poor' person's cut. And that's with the 'poor' person's cut being 50%
and the 'rich' person's cut being only ONE-HALF of ONE PERCENT!

Look again in this example, and you see that the 'poor' person would pay
only 5%, while the 'rich' person would still pay nearly half his/her salary,
yet the liberals would still have the audacity to claim the cut is unfair,
and skewed towards the wealthy. Unbelievable!!!

-----Original Message-----
From: mike clemens [mailto:rmclemns@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 9:29 PM
To: DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [DMCForum] Re: The Constitution Is an Illusion Part II


Bob,

I question you math, but then again, I don't have
bunch of capital letters after my name, so maybe you
can clarify.  Using your own numbers, you say it takes
$35,000 a year per inmate, or $17.50 an hour, this
being "crux" of your argument.  Incarcerated people
are under lockup 24 hours a day for 365 days a year,
which works out to 8760 hours for a year (leap year
not included).  If my math is correct, that works out
to $3.99+ an hour, not the $17.50 figure you quoted.
Can you explain??

By the way,  "someone" (in the context you used it) is
one word, not two.

Regards.

Mike
--- Bob Brandys <BobB@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Ryan,
>
> Your responses to the concept of a living wage and
> national health care
> are humorous.  Unfortunately,  none of the responses
> are based in
> economic fact or public health research.   
>
> The United states has more than twice as many people
> per capita in jail
> THAN ANY OTHER COUNTRY IN THE WORLD. !!
>
> WHY IS THIS?  DO United STATES Citizens commit TWICE
> as much crime as
> other countries?  That is highly  unlikely.
>
> There are numerous published economic studies since
> the 1920's that have
> shown that as you increase the economic status of
> people with real
> living wage jobs CRIME DOES DOWN.    You should do
> some reading in this
> area, it is very enlightening.  I studied this area
> while getting my
> Masters Degree in Public Health.  DO you have one?
>
> Do you have any training in the area of public
> health and social policy.
>  Or do you just repeat the political BULL SHIT you
> heard from the
> conservative media. 
>
> The average cost of keeping some one in jail in the
> United States is
> $35,000  per year.  Well, that works out to about to
> $17.50 per hour. 
>
> Well, do you think these people would have committed
> their crimes IF
> THEY WERE MAKING THAT MUCH PER HOUR?
>
> Actually, by jailing over 1,000,000 more people per
> capita than any
> other country in the world, THE UNITED STATES HIDES
> OVER 1% of its
> unemployment problem. 
>
> YES,  HIDING THESE UNEMPLOYED IN JAILS IS
> POLITICALLY A GAME.  That WE
> Taxpayer pay 60 BILLION dollar a year for AND GET
> NOTHING IN RETURN.
>
> DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT THE EFFECT WOULD BE ON OUR
> ECONOMY IF THESE 1
> MILLION PEOPLE HAD $35,000 A YEAR JOBS.  IT WOULD BE
> THE BIGGEST BOOM IN
> OUR ECONOMY IN 30 YEARS!!!
>
> Ryan,  know anything about Macroeconomic theory.
> THis issue of hiding
> the unemployed is also discussed in text books on
> this subject. 
>
>
> AS FOR NATIONAL HEALTH CARE again being a PUBLIC
> HEALTH EXPERT, I am
> fully informed in this area. 
>
> Are you aware that the United States spends 4 times
> as much per capita
> on health AS ALL OF THE OTHER INDUSTRIALIZED
> COUNTRIES   AND HERE IS THE
> IMPORTANT FACT  -  WE DO NOT LIVE ANY LONGER AND WE
> ARE NOT ANY
> HEALTHIER.   IN FACT, WE HAVE MORE HEART DISEASE,
> CANCER AND DIABETES. 
>
> The latest study on the Height of the US children
> compared to European
> children has shown a very alarming trend.  US
> children, for the FIRST
> time in over 200 years, are SHORTER than their
> parents.   A very scary
> and worrisome public health trend.  On the other
> hand,  the average
> height of children in Europe is still greater than
> their parents.  The
> main difference is the terrible american diet  that
> our kids consume.  
> What does this mean for the future of our children.?
>  Most likely more
> disease and a shorter life span.
>
> Even though the US spends 4 times as much money per
> person, the health
> care system does not cover some 40,000,000
> americans.   So overall the
> actual dollars spent per insured american is even
> higher.  What this
> means is that the profit made under the current
> health care system is so
> great, that it is very unlikely the US will ever
> have national health
> care. 
>
> Here are some facts you should consider.   In
> countries that have
> national health care, they have establish treatment
> for each disease
> that are scientifically proven to cure those
> diseases.    A review of
> the US health delivery last year, showed that only
> 30% of the time do
> people in the US get the proper treatment for there
> disease. 70% of the
> time the doctor gives the wrong treatment and
> actually make the patient
> sicker requiring more medical expenses. (there was
> wall Street Journal
> article on this) .
>
> Here is another economic fact on the US health care
> system.  25% of US
> health care dollars are spent on paper work.
> processed by insurance
> companies and then more papers to patients for stuff
> that was not
> covered and then more papers for doctors to fill out
> and more papers for
> druggist to fill out etc. etc.   YES 25% of health
> care dollars are just
> wasted on pushing papers. 
>
> LASTLY,  EVER WORKED FOR A PHARMACEUTICAL OR MEDICAL
> DEVICE COMPANY?
>  EVER SERVED ON ANY HEALTH CARE COMMITTEES IN
> WASHINGTON .  I HAVE.
>
> Why does the US spend so much on drugs.?  HERE IS
> HOW IT WORKS.  Each
> drug company has a sales person that works a
> specific territory.  the
> average salary of the drug sales people is $200,000
> per year.   In
> addition, drug companies spend millions of dollars
> on free seminars and
> trips for doctor that add 15% to the cost of all
> drugs.
> Adding the sales people salaries to the free trips
> and benies for doctor
> adds almost 40% to the cost of every pill.
>
> Here is how is works under national health care.
> THere is a
> governmental body known as a national formulary.
> The national formulary
> meets with the drug companies and asks what drugs do
> you have that are
> proven to work for a specific disease.  They then
> purchase those drugs
> for those diseases and make the drugs available to
> doctors under the
> standard treatment protocols.  NO SALES COST.  NO
> FREE TRIPS A savings
> of 40%.  There is even a bigger cost saving because
> of the bulk purchase
> agreement.
>
> Now the really scary part of the US health care
> system. !!!   Over 60%
> of prescribed drugs in the US are for "off label
> use".  (See WSJ
> article).  What does this mean?
> It means doctors in the US are free to prescribe
> drugs for uses THAT ARE
> NOT SCIENTIFICALLY PROVEN TO DO ANY GOOD WHAT SO
> EVER.  In many cases
> these "off label" prescription cause adverse
> reactions and kill people.
>  IT is estimated that 80,000 people die in the US
> per year from adverse
> reactions and improper drug prescriptions.
>
> So RYAN, I would suggest you do some REAL HARD CORE
> RESEARCH AND EDUCATE
> YOURSELF on the true medical facts that PUBLIC
> HEALTH PROFESSIONALS know
> in this country.
>
> NOT RIGHT WING, NOT LEFT WING,  JUST INFORMED AS TO
> THE REAL FACTS.
>
> Bob,  PhD, MPH, PE, CSP, CIH,
>
>
>
>
>
>
>



           
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