RE: [DML] DeLorean Owners Association??
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RE: [DML] DeLorean Owners Association??



Yes, this is the same debate we seem doomed to continue until the end of
time, unless we do something about it.  Yes, I understand that your point is
that you don't see the value in having a national organization for the
DeLorean automobile anymore, because the internet forums provide the same
thing one would get from these types of communities, but for free.


My point is that if you put the same effort into the DOA as you put into the
DMA, or even that we've been putting into this discussion, we would see the
DOA produce things of TANGIBLE value to the community and yourself.  But we
can't do anything if the community continues to expend all its energy on
what this organization has done wrong, and no one steps forward to help us
realize the possibilities of what it can be.


Here's an example of the reason why you don't see more tangible products
being produced by the DOA today:  


I agree with part of your assessment of our website language.  I personally
think the part about being the "largest independent car organization in the
world" is outright laughable.  I don't know who wrote that crap, but it's
not based in any kind of reality, and I would be all too glad to change it.
In fact, I maintain the why don't I change it?  Well, as you
know, every decision in an organization run by a Board of Directors has to
be approved by the board.  I'm even speaking out of turn by commenting on
this thread at all, because I don't speak with prior Board consent.  I have
requested a Board meeting to discuss what our replies should be here, but
unfortunately, with members spaced out from LA to Belfast, finding a time
that everyone can do a conference call is a challenge. (not every Board
member has access to e-mail)  I don't in anyway condone what happened when
Directors were required to attend a monthly meeting in person in LA, but I
can CERTAINLY see the value in having such a meeting.  I imagine in that day
and age, things actually got done in a timely fashion.  It's a shame that
the direction at the time was not one most people were interested in seeing
pursued, including me, as it could have really been something outstanding. do we fix this?  In my opinion, the conversation MUST move beyond,
"what the DOA did to wrong me", and we should instead ask ourselves, "what
could the DOA be for us?"  Despite my best efforts to steer the conversation
to the latter, it keeps coming back to the former.  Maybe I'm being too
ambitious.  Maybe I need to first ask, how can the DOA redeem itself in your
eyes, so that we may be allowed to move forward and start working for the
good of the community again?


I welcome your input!




Josh Haldeman - Vice-President

DeLorean Owners Association





From: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Kevin Abato
Sent: Monday, January 17, 2011 10:02 PM
To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [DML] DeLorean Owners Association??



Josh: You and I are friends, so please do not take the following comments
as a personal attack on you, but my comments (Which I have made public in
the past) on/to the DOA.

Almost all of the things the organization offers are available for free on
the internet in MUCH LARGER and MORE ACTIVE forums (like this one) for FREE.

Many of the other offerings like the Magazines, "Exclusive offers available
only to Association members", and 
10% off merchandise that is already overpriced (and currently unavailable
anyway) is all a bunch of smoke and mirrors! 

The DOA has NOTHING tangible except for copies of back issues of their
magazine to offer their members. Buy it once, and you are done. There is
nothing else they offer of value (as I told Ken Baker two years ago on the
phone). Similar threads have existed for the past few years about this, and
the DOA always says "Hey..we are working on a new setup, net officers, look
for amazing new stuff!" But nothing materializes.

The truth is that I have gotten a million times more from my local club
(DeLorean Mid-Atlantic) in the past few years than the DOA could have ever
provided me. Social contacts, Networking, help, support, merchandise with
logos, TONS OF EVENTS... The list goes on and on, but the most important
one to my wife and I is "FRIENDS" Some of the DMA members are like
extended family to us.

And lastly, the line of "As the largest independent car organization in the
world..." Really? The largest? How many members do they have? OHHH!!
That's right! If I am not a member I am NOT ALLOWED to know that
information. I am not allowed to know about the treasury or where the
money goes (even If I am a member).

I like paying my $15 per year to the DMA. It is a great investment that I
actually see value returned to me. It really is too bad for all the time
we spend trying to "Fix" or "Resurrect" the DOA, It is time that could be
of much better use.

Kevin Abato
Vin# 16680

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