Re: Subject:: What you see IS NOT always what you get

[jtrealty@xxxx]

Everything that you are saying applies to ANY 20 year old car. 
Especially if it has passed through several owners hands as they don't 
pass the history down. Of course when you buy a used car it is buyer 
beware but that is for ANY used car and Deloreans are no more prone to 
these things than any other make. If you want to minimize your risks 
try to buy from an origional or "first" owner and contact the vender 
he bought parts from as they try to keep a history of the parts and 
service that they do to a particular car. In many states you can order 
a "specific" or a vehicle history for a small amount of money but your 
best option is to have someone knowledgeable about the make of vehicle 
inspect it as completly as time, money, and geography permits. Money 
spent before you buy will save buying the "wrong" car or at least you 
can plan for what you are getting into. Join a local club as they 
usually know many of the local cars and owners and can tell you what 
to look for and may help in finding you a car or help in inspecting 
it. If you don't do your homework before buying then you will get 
exactly what you AREN'T looking for! Consider the problems if it turns 
out that the car was stolen. You will be out your money AND the car!
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757 


--- In dmcnews@xxxx, CBL302@xxxx wrote:
> 
> 
> From: CBL302 [mailto:CBL302@xxxx]
> Sent: Friday, June 29, 2001 11:45 PM
> 
> Subject: Re: What you see IS NOT always what you get
> 
> 
> 
> I just want some future Delorean Buyer to Relize,just because a
> Delorean IS painted does not
> mean that car was in a collision(painted Delorean)and one that is
> orignal does not mean it was never involved in a major Collision,I
> would say at least 15%+or- of the orignal"(unpainted) Deloreans 
> were 
> involved in a accident,sometime in its past, enough to do some 
> frame damage,as I finally
> located my 1983 Delorean and told the present owner about its past
> history See past archives #5241,(I only came across it by pure 
> chance,seeing a for sale ad of Vin# xxxxx at the DMCXXXX for sale 
> site)I emailed him, as a make believe buyer,to find out if he knew 
if 
> it was ever involved in a accident,and he said,No, As from all 
> outside appearences you
> CANNOT tell it was involved in a major collision,enough to give it 
a
> salvage title in its past,He told me,It was brought over to a New 
> York Delorean Repairer on Long Island to have some service/work 
> on it(the present owner told me they (the long Island Delorean 
> Repairer worked on it before I
> informed him of its past history) and never noticed/informed the
> owners(past or present,it was brought over there by at least two 
> previous owners) about any telltale signs of MAJOR collision
> repairs,(OR this Present owner was bold face lying to ME!!! to 
make 
> a Sale)MY POINT here is if it can fool THE BEST of the Delorean 
> Repairers,somebody that works on these
> cars all day long,BUYER BEWARE,and check that Delorean with a fine
> tooth comb,(DO A THROUGH TITLE search,and try to talk to ALL past
> owners) before you plunk down that hard earned cash. Here is a 
copy
> of the email I sent to the present owner:
> 
> I hate to be the bearer of bad news,BUT I have been searching for 
> Vin
> xxxxx for a VERY,VERY long time,to let the owner(s) know what 
carfax
> reports says about vin xxxxx,(Shows on carfax as a CLEAN car)IT 
HAD 
> a
> salvage title when I bought it,first owner on title was a Joseph 
> xxxxxxx(860 225-xxxx)
> he was the person involved in the collision,(I bought it from 
> xxxxxxx auto Sales,in
> East Haven Connecticut, with a Salvage Title) Then I went through 
> all
> the legal channels in Connecticut,to Repair and register vin
> xxxxx),as you can see for yourself,it is very hard to tell where 
the
> repairs were made(I have a picture of the before as I got it,I 
also
> have video of the repairs as I was doing them,this was in 
1987-1988
> when the collision repairs were done/completed,it was hit on the
> drivers front,sustaining damage to the black underbody,I cut off a
> complete section(the complete corner area up to the open where the
> hollow area is for the jack,and up to the drivers wheelwell (I 
have
> video of this)it sustained frame damage,but I only had the best in
> the business(at that time) repair the frame,xxxxxxxx Motors auto 
> Body (860 666xxxx)(cost
> me big bucks, to have that repaired,also I
> replaced all the suspension pieces on the drivers side,and of 
course
> the Stainless steel panels,the panels replaced were the Front
> fascia,Hood,Windshield (with gold tinted)lower spoiler,Drivers
> fender,Drivers Door,and the Drivers Quarter Panel.also front wheel
> and tire,I sold it to that next owner,the "Doctor"(a real jerk)
> (with a
> Connecticut "rebuilt" Title)with the UNDERSTANDING that,he would
> pass
> on the above history of vin#xxxxx,and the paperwork would ALWAYS 
> have Rebuilt stamped to it,BUT as I now find out,that it was
> never passed on(the paperwork stating "rebuilt),as I sold it to 
him 
> at a cost of my parts and labor
> only,and what I paid for it.THE good News is you Qualify for the
> Carfax $5000.00 Guarantee ,I also tried to Forewarn any buyers 
about
> Vinxxxxx,thru the DML(Delorean Mailing List) see archives dated
> Dec.7.1999,all you have to do is go into the DML archives and type 
> in
> the vin number,and the below message will pop up.I AM REALLY 
REALLY 
> surprised
> that P X Gxxxxx did not pick-up the telltale signs of collision 
> repairs.
> (NOTE:THE present owner might have lied,about the last sentence!!!!)
> 
> THE main Key Point is BUYER BEWARE,all the owners of my previous 
> Delorean
> Vin# (xxxxx) NEVER Knew that they were buying a Delorean that had 
> been
> in a major accident,(because someone after my ownership "cleaned" 
> the Title/paperwork)(I assumed the Salvage/ rebuilt title would 
> follow the
> car/could be easily traced down,and when I found out it 
Disappeared,
> (the paperwork that told the history of its past)I was
> PISSED!!!I was Totally HONEST and 100% legal when I sold it,THEN 
the 
> person
> I sold it to, or the next person , SOMEONE converted it into A 
CLEAN
> title,with No back ground of any major Collision reports.ABOUT 
> the "D" Repairer shop,NO I am only making
> a point that EVEN THE BEST (MAJOR Delorean Repairers)can be 
> fooled,when the car appears to
> have all orignal unpainted SS panels,MOST people assume that,a 
> Delorean(or
> any delorean with unpainted/undamaged panels could NEVER have been 
> involved
> in a collision that required major rebuild,Again the main
> point was/is when buying a Delorean, to TRUST NO ones word about 
> the HISTORY of a car and
> do a through investigation before commiting to buying.
> 
> Claude
> 000570