Re: [DML] Concours Judging For Options & Accessories

[mike.griese@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]

Marc - the process DMCH uses is not very different than
how the Mustang Club of America or the National Corvette
Restorers Society run their concours events.  The 
judges have a book based on the best information 
available about the particular vintage of cars.  
Early Mustangs are particularly difficult to judge 
given the number of options available and the fact 
that most option packages did not have any correlation
to the VIN.  There are 110% of the total number of 
1965 Mustang GTs on the road today because of the
ease of adding the options.  And there is no way to 
tell if the car was originally built that way.  And
you want to talk about picky?  Just wait until you 
lose points at an NCRS judging because the OK stamp 
on your rocker cover is "too crisp".

If someone finds a documented original car - single
owner, low mileage, documented service history, etc., 
the MCA and NCRS change their judging books.  I would 
imagine that if someone had a DeLorean like that, DMCH
would change their judging criteria, too.  They just
need to know about it.

Your advice to buy a driver if you want to drive it
and a winner if you want trophies fits any marque of car.  
DeLoreans are not unique in that respect.

--
Mike



> With all due respect to my friend David;
> 
> Sad state of affairs if the value of all of our cars
> are based on this one event.
> 
> Concours judging, as it has been done by DMCH is
> simple...  Make your car "fit the book" and you win...
>  Even if the book is wrong.  If this is what you want
> to do to your car to get a trophy, go right ahead..  
> 
> My opinion: dont have the competition at all. 
> Although the DeLorean Concours is very different than
> other such competitions, the whole idea of judging a
> car based on how "original" it is for the DeLorean is
> just wrong..  First off, the changes are poorly
> documented. Even if you are the original owner of a
> car right off the lot and have done nothing to it, it
> still may not "fit the (DMCH) book" and therefore will
> loose points.  Is this fair? I think not..  Secondly,
> these cars left the factory with a number of well
> known problems.  Cars that do not have these things
> fixed are LESS valuable (IMHO) than other "driver"
> cars.  And you say the value of my car is based on the
> value of the "winner" with a hazardous fan fail
> system, or door lock module?   I could go on...  But I
> doubt anyone even got this far before clicking DELETE.
>  :)
> 
> Advice for someone looking to buy a DeLorean:  Buy a
> winner if you want to win trophies...  Buy a driver if
> you want to drive it!
> 
> 
> --- David Teitelbaum <jtrealty@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> <SNIP>
> > everyone's opinion counts. As Delorean owmers we all
> > have a stake in
> > how this turns out. The value of the Delorean is
> > determined by the
> > value of a concours car. Everyone starts out with
> > 100 points. It is
> > downhill from there so the closer you are to a
> > winner the more
> > valuable your car is. How that car is judged affects
> > that value. BTW
> > if you are thinking about entering the concours
> > enter now before it
> > closes up. There will only be 6 cars max for the top
> > event.
> > David Teitelbaum
> > vin 10757 
> > 
> <SNIP>
> 
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