RE: [DMCForum] Number of DMC Forums.

["Videobob Moseley" <videobob@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

I actually already have a server capable of holding several PHBB forums, the 
same one I run
http://www.bttfstuff.com off of.
If anyone really wants me too I can have that sucker up in seconds.
I have about 20GB storage and can handle 25 domains.
I am already using up a small portion of that, but I don't mind
donating it to the community if they want it.
A forum is nice because you can include photos and links
a lot easier than email.
If anyone is interested they know how to find me.
- Videobob


>From: "Dave Stragand" <dave.stragand@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Reply-To: DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>To: <DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Subject: RE: [DMCForum] Number of DMC Forums.
>Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 23:00:11 -0400
>
>Ryan,
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>You state that everyone else who runs a forum or mailing list is "power
>hungry", yet you want to consolidate everything under your control?  =)
>
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>
>Seriously, Ryan, you have stated multiple times that you don't like the
>email-based community concept, and that you prefer a web interface.
>That is perfectly fine; everyone has his/her preference. That's
>important to remember.  You state, "Everyone would have to agree to shut
>down and launch a single new system."   But why?
>
>
>
>I personally never read the various forums.  (I actually RUN a huge
>forum for 1955-1961 MoPars... I have over 1,700 users... 57,000 posts...
>and I hardly ever read it.  MY preference is email.  I run BOTH a
>mailing list and a forum because some people prefer one, and some prefer
>the other.  That will likely never change.)
>
>
>
>I must be really tired or something, because I actually agree with Marc
>- but he's right - 'build it, and they will come'.  Saying that it can
>be done is one thing; implementing it is another.  I have never heard
>anyone else with the opinion that there must be only one forum/list, and
>frankly, getting the support of "all forum owners and moderators" will
>likely not happen any more than having a consolidation of all DMC web
>sites under one domain name, or all local clubs under one national
>organization.  But, by all means, you are welcome and encouraged to try.
>
>
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>People have their 'hangouts', preferences, clubs, forums, and mailing
>lists, and they all like or dislike them for their own independent
>reasons.  Insisting that everyone needs to come together because -you-
>don't like having to go to multiple places, ignores the needs and wants
>of everyone else.  You state, "Everyone would have to agree to shut down
>and launch a single new system."
>
>
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>Build a better mousetrap, and the world will beat a path to your forum.
>Implement it FIRST, then ask for folks to make the move.  Trying to get
>everyone to commit in advance to a unified forum that has not even been
>built yet is never going to happen.
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>You stated that you weren't going to do it without everyone agreeing in
>advance to the change, but what have you shown those folks?  Do you have
>a site yet?  No, you said you didn't want to put the time into it if no
>one would come.  Well, that's the same reason no one will agree to a
>move in advance.  There are literally THOUSANDS of hours invested in the
>current forums, mailing lists, web sites, etc.  No rational person would
>ever consider throwing away all of the work that has gone into these
>entities over the last 10 years simply because someone shows up and
>says, "your stuff isn't any good, mine will be better, so give yours up
>and you will see - but I won't even start mine until you give yours up.'
>You have to be reasonable, you have to have some experience in dealing
>with the technical, political, and personal, and you have to have a real
>site, not just an idea.
>
>
>
>Do your best, enlist the help of others, and go build the best D site
>the world has ever seen, and it very well might become 'the one'.
>However, you are going to have to invest an enormous amount of your own
>time FIRST before asking for commitments from others, and there will
>never be any guarantees.  That's what the rest of us have faced when
>building our respective communities - you are going to have to do the
>same if you ever expect to be taken seriously.
>
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>
>-Dave
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>________________________________
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>From: DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>Behalf Of Ryan Wright
>Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 6:47 PM
>To: DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: Re: [DMCForum] Number of DMC Forums.
>
>
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>There is no consensus amongst the community and the other forum
>owners. To close this forum would do no good - it still serves a
>purpose. (Besides, it's not "my" forum to close - we've always said it
>belongs to the community - so the community would have to decide).
>
>I'd simply like to see a single, consolidated forum. Web based, so
>there can be multiple sections, including an off-topic section for
>discussions like those on this forum. Email features, so users can
>subscribe to entire forums and interact with threads much like they do
>here and on the DML. And moderated by a system that ensures power
>struggles and discrimination against individuals or specific points of
>view are minimized or eliminated.
>
>It could be done. I could make it happen. There are others in the
>community that could make it happen. But we would need the support of
>all forum owners & moderators, and a majority of the membership.
>Everyone would have to agree to shut down and launch a single new
>system.
>
>I think we're a small enough community that we could pull it off, but
>I think many people are too set in their ways (and/or too power hungry
>in wanting things their way, or wanting to suppress certain
>commentary) to go along with it.
>
>-Ryan
>
>On 7/11/06, Marc Levy <malevy_nj@xxxxxxxxx
><mailto:malevy_nj%40yahoo.com> > wrote:
> >
> > What makes the current forum alternatives not make you
> > give this one up "in a flash"?
> >
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