[DMCForum] Re: Inappropriate Car Show Behavior?
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And as usual, the revisionist history at play is so WRONG its not 
even worth commentary. However, I will give everyone here just a 
small primer in chronological time.

Robert was banned in October of 2004. 

He created his website in November of 2004.

If what Robert said below were actually true, with powers of 
forsight like that I should play the stock market :)

-Gary

--- In DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Videobob Moseley" <videobob@...> 
wrote:
>
> Some of you need a little background on the subject.
> It all started on Gary Weaver's BTTF website.
> When he first started it, I was one of the very first posters on 
it.
> My first post was to advertise one of my license plate 
reproductions in his
> "for sale" section. Little did I know that I beat Gary to the 
punch on his 
> own
> website because he was going to offer the same plate for twice the 
money.
> He wasn't happy about that.
> My first black mark.
> 
> Next enters Bruce C. who is a known prop builder, I admit I used 
one of his
> photos as a template for building my own version of the prop.
> I respected his work so much that I figured his reproduction would 
be
> an exact replica of the original, what I didn't know is that his 
replica was
> nothing close to the original!
> I got a lashing for not doing my own research and for copying 
Bruce.
> I admit it, it was a mistake, and it never happened again.
> (I now only use movie stills or research I did at Universal 
Studios myself.)
> Second black mark.....not looking good to Gary.
> 
> Then, after months of frustration with getting zero help from 
Gary, Bruce
> or any one else in his clan I decided to make my own website, do 
my own 
> research
> and share it with the fans. In the past Gary would never reveal 
important 
> information
> like part numbers or sources for parts.
> He would SELL you the part, if he LIKED you.
> I circumvented him by posting on my site all the "secrets" to what 
this 
> stuff was
> and where to get it, along with offering the completed props a lot 
cheaper 
> than
> anyone else did.
> Strike three, I'm out.
> 
> When Gary saw this he kicked me off his website.
> Of course I just signed up under an alias to monitor what he was 
doing,
> as of course what he did to me.
> 
> Enter Monte.
> On my site I have an archive of everyone who has made a replica 
(to my 
> knowledge)
> Monte's car and photos of it where on this list.
> Now since Monte bought most all of his stuff from Gary and Bruce 
his 
> loyalties are with them.
> He asked me not to make mention of him on my site.
> I told him to "think for yourself" effectively and I refused.
> That was the extent of our communication.
> 
> Fast forward to this weekend.
> I see Monte and his car and I approach him and introduce myself 
with a smile 
> and
> an outstretched hand....he is quite rude to me.
> While examining his car I see little stickers hidden on it that 
say things 
> like,
> "Videobob sucks dick", "Videobob is a thief", "Don't buy from 
> Videobob"....etc.
> So I asked him to remove them and he refused.
> ....long story short, this is how it all started.
> All over nothing.
> 
> I don't think that I am over reacting.
> I don't think this is appropriate behavior in public place, many 
people were 
> taking
> photos of the cars and this is slanderous, libelous and just 
childish.
> If anyone looks like an "asshole" it is Monte.
> 
> This type of personal beef should be kept off the floor of the 
show.
> I don't bring my problems to the show, and neither should anyone 
else.
> - Videobob
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >From: "timnagin" <timnagin@...>
> >Reply-To: DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >To: <DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >Subject: RE: [DMCForum] Re: Inappropriate Car Show Behavior?
> >Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 09:35:23 -0400
> >
> >As I said before, we wouldn't even be talking about this if VB 
hadn't
> >brought it up.  Look at the link I posted with the picture of the 
car and
> >try to find that massive banner in discussion.
> >
> >My understanding, and Gary or anyone else please correct me if I 
am wrong
> >here, is this is a very fine line to walk when recreating these 
parts since
> >Universal owns the rights to the BTTF stuff.
> >
> >If someone started mass producing these parts and selling them 
publicly for
> >profit they may step in and put a halt to this.  If that happens 
chances 
> >are
> >we will never see another one of these converted cars unless 
someone pays
> >for the rights or is able to make an agreement with Universal.  
That could
> >also mean the currently converted cars could be confiscated.  
Barris did
> >that to at least one fan-created Batmobile.
> >
> >I would one day like to build one of these cars and if that was 
prevented 
> >by
> >a few people seeking to make a profit and pissing off Universal 
then I will
> >be pissed.  Again, someone please correct me if I am wrong about 
the rights
> >and usage here.
> >
> >How would you feel if after a lot of hard work and research to 
make
> >something, someone else copied it and sold it?  They didn't have 
to do
> >anything but take yours apart and reproduce it where you may have 
months if
> >not years of work, time and money invested.  I don't think the 
actions of a
> >few, or one, represent an entire community.
> >
> >Greg
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] 
On Behalf
> >Of Avi Sarfaraz
> >Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 1:58 AM
> >To: DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >Subject: Re: [DMCForum] Re: Inappropriate Car Show Behavior?
> >
> >You guys do realize this is all very childish.
> >
> >I dont speak up often, one of reasons being I dont own a DeLorean 
anymore.
> >
> >BTTF props are cute, emphasis CUTE. I havent met anyone "big 
name" but Ken,
> >and Ken is a very cool, very nice man who I have had the pleasure 
to meet
> >here in MN.
> >
> >Props business, must be very competitive, because you have a 
niche product
> >which only 1 of 1000 will ever care to buy from you. If your 
going to sell
> >to contemporaries then what you need to do, is copyright your 
products, and
> >have a nice legal disclaimer by buying it they may not tamper 
with it, or
> >reproudce it or sell it, you guys seem to work to much
> >on a personal level and not on a professional business level, 
where if
> >someone is going to copy your design, then you slap him with a 
lawsuit and
> >take him out of busines, the good ol american way that I am so 
very fond
> >of..no threats, just evidence, and a letter telling them to 
report to 
> >court.
> >
> >I dont know the details of it but if you restrict the ability to 
allow for
> >copyright infringement or replication of your products, and dont 
have the
> >smarts to remove them in the first place......then you deserve 
what you 
> >get.
> >Im not saying I know it all, but im saying you guys can 
definately setup
> >countermeasures for the type of bs you guys are talking about.
> >
> >If there are threats made, then well, its unacceptable, if you 
want to
> >settle it, take it to your local boxing ring. If you want to 
settle it like
> >businessmen - you are businessmen right? - you know...professional
> >businessmen, who have morals and whatnot? Then settle it like
> >gentlemen...Slander is bad for everyone, I dont think I'd buy 
from anyone 
> >of
> >you guys for that sort of behavior...
> >
> >You should all be ashamed for the childish behavior you guys have 
all
> >brought to a head, you make the whole community look like a bunch 
of
> >assholes
> >
>






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