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RE: [DMCForum] Re: Bush (Vote for handouts/tax breaks)



Oh, so it was professor Plum in the study with a candlestick? 

By your own admission, you don't know for sure.  One thing that is clear
is that the votes were counted in accordance with the law and the system
in place at that time.  It would have been more of a shame to try to
implement a different system in order to get a different result.  If the
system is imperfect fine, change it, but to suggest that the human error
always tipped in Bush's favor even when counted by liberal groups is
also a shame.

      -----Original Message-----
      From: Flavia [mailto:frvianna@xxxxxxxxx]
      Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2004 12:38 PM
      To: DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
      Subject: [DMCForum] Re: Bush (Vote for handouts/tax breaks)
     
     
      What I am saying is that is absurd to not to be able to say
who's the
      new president after a month, or whatever it took until it was
finally
      stated that Bush won.
      I don't think hand counting is that effective, human errors are
      possible and there is nothing wrong with that. The problem is
that it
      was such a tight victory that I just can't be sure it was
accurate. I
      have no idea how much more votes Clinton had in his first and
second
      terms, but I think it was an easier victory, so no one had
grounds to
      suspect any miscount, fraud or whatever.
      Honestly, after the second count, it was getting ridiculous. In
my
      opinion, such episode was a shame for the country. What can we
do?
      No matter who recounted, it's not error proof. I won't state for
sure
      that it was Gore and not Bush. I do believe we'd be better off
with
      anyone, but Bush, but I don't have a time machine to change the
past
      and see the future outcome :)
      --- In DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Dave Stragand"
<dave.stragand@xxxx>
      wrote:
      > Ah, so even though the recounts were spearheaded by a
half-dozen -
      liberal-
      > groups, who all came to the same end result, you still think
there
      was foul
      > play?  By your own folks?  Exactly why would they do that?
      >
      > -----Original Message-----
      > From: Flavia [mailto:frvianna@xxxx]
      > Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2004 12:19 PM
      > To: DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
      > Subject: [DMCForum] Re: Bush (Vote for handouts/tax breaks)
      >
      >
      > Thanks for the explanation, but I am not convinced yet. I'd
only be
      > convinced if it there the votes were counted automatically,
r=or if
      I
      > actually saw the hand counting!
      > --- In DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Katon, Robert"
      <robert.katon@xxxx>
      > wrote:
      > > The Florida vote was counted three times all showing Bush
the
      > winner.
      > > And that was just the counting BEFORE they declared Bush the

      winner.
      > > There was subsequent counting by independent groups that
      confirmed
      > the
      > > count.
      > > 
      > > But like a good liberal, if the counts don't yield a
satisfactory
      > > result, simply question the counts!  I don't remember anyone

      having
      > a
      > > problem with how the Florida ballots were counted in '96.
But I
      > suppose
      > > that is because you had the result that you wanted.  I don't

      > remember
      > > anyone having a problem with the electoral college in '96,
but
      > again, as
      > > long as it works for liberals, it ain't broken right???
      > >
      > >       -----Original Message-----
      > >       From: Flavia [mailto:frvianna@xxxx]
      > >       Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2004 12:01 PM
      > >       To: DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
      > >       Subject: [DMCForum] Re: Bush (Vote for handouts/tax
breaks)
      > >      
      > >      
      > >       In florida? during all those days they spend counting
and
      > > recounting?
      > >       --- In DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Katon, Robert"
      > > <robert.katon@xxxx>
      > >       wrote:
      > >       > I saw the vote counts
      > >       >
      > >       >       -----Original Message-----
      > >       >       From: Flavia [mailto:frvianna@xxxx]
      > >       >       Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2004 11:53 AM
      > >       >       To: DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
      > >       >       Subject: [DMCForum] Re: Bush (Vote for
handouts/tax
      > > breaks)
      > >       >      
      > >       >      
      > >       >       How can you be so sure?
      > >       >       --- In DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Katon,
Robert"
      > >       > <robert.katon@xxxx>
      > >       >       wrote:
      > >       >       > Marc, in case you didn't realize it, Bush
won the
      > >       election. 
      > >       >       >
      > >       >       >       -----Original Message-----
      > >       >       >       From: Marc Levy
[mailto:malevy_nj@xxxx]
      > >       >       >       Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2004 11:11
AM
      > >       >       >       To: DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
      > >       >       >       Subject: RE: [DMCForum] Re: Bush (Vote
for
      > >       handouts/tax
      > >       >       breaks)
      > >       >       >      
      > >       >       >      
      > >       >       >       Is that why Gore won the election?
      > >       >       >      
      > >       >       >       --- Dave Stragand <dave.stragand@xxxx>
      > >       >       >       wrote:
      > >       >       >      
      > >       >       >       > You forgot --
      > >       >       >       > 
      > >       >       >       > Clinton's last year of office,
economy
      > tanks,
      > >       >       >       > unemployment shoots way up,
      > >       >       >       > made plans to place blame on
incoming
      > > leader...
      > >       >       >       > Yes, the economy tanked
      > >       >       >       > three quarters before the
election...
      > >       >       >       > 
      > >       >       >       > -Dave
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