Re: [doc] Ford with gull-wing doors/TRUTH about Avantime
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Re: [doc] Ford with gull-wing doors/TRUTH about Avantime
- From: "nick12dmc" <Tammyfew@xxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 02 Sep 2005 20:29:13 -0000
hmmm,
I think we have been down this road before. My everyday motor
is a Alfa 166. A rare'ish car in the UK. However go abroad and
they are all over the place. In Italy it was spot the 156 everyone
was driving a 166.
I like DMC's and I like Alfa's, I don't like BMW's due to image
they project. ( I would make a exception for a 850i though :-)
At the end of the day you pays your money and you take your choice.
Nick H
--- In doc-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Mike Sumner <mikebmw316@xxxx> wrote:
> I predicted that you'd have something to say about this and I don't
want to get into any long-winded debates, but for whatever reason the
Avantime went out of production the fact remains that people didn't
exactly rush out to buy them.
>
> I saw one at a motor showwhen they'd just come out and had a sit in
it and I was frankly appauled by the fact that when the door is shut
with the window down you can hear the glass rattle inside the frame.
Perhaps one day the French will learn how to build cars properly that
don't have gearboxes that feel like a ruler in some porridge,
steering with no feel that's over-assisted, and doors that clang when
closed.
>
> And for the record, I didn't say that the Megane is £20k. I was
referring to the Avantime.
>
> As for German Ubersaloons. Do you not think there's an extremely
good reason why people in this country like to buy them? Because
they are subtly stylish as opposed to having angular, hacked at body
shapes. The French can try all they like but they will never topple
the German dominated executive saloon market until their product is
up to scratch.
>
> Remember the Renault Safrane? What a success that was against the
3 series.
>
> Regards,
>
> Mike Sumner - 178
> 1999 BMW E36 Coupe
>
>
> Claire Usher <claire.usher@xxxx> wrote:
> WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Remember Mike, I used to work for Renault, so I actually know the
TRUTH
> about the Renault (France) production strategy for the Avantime;
their
> niche, concept, luxury coupe model.
>
> The Avantime was only put into production to finish off Renaults
20yr
> contract with Matra. Matra got the contract to build the Espace
for Renault
> after Peugeot turned down the MPV design in the early 80's saying
no one
> would buy it (who's copying who now?). The Espace IV (built by
Renault)
> went into production in 2003, so Avantime carried on until 2004 as
it was
> based on the Espace III platform, which like the Espace's before
was built
> by Matra.
>
> From a financial point of view, it was more cost effective for
Renault to
> get Matra to build a small volume model like Avantime for a year
then pay
> them off for the final year of their contract. Phill Wright, who
owns one
> of these fantastic cars (and I have been privileged to have a small
drive of
> it) will back this up. It's a true future classic, and Phill, if
you ever
> want to sell yours, give us first refusal!!! :o)
>
> If anyone wants to see any more Avantime pictures, click on
> http://www.avantime-gallery.org/ some lovely pics there -
including Phill's
> car.
>
> £20k for a Megane!! Yes, if you buy one of the fantastic
Renaultsport 225
> models (now there's a kick in the back when you hit the 'loud
> pedal')............
>
> Vel Satis Mk II has continued in production in LHD only as it was
very
> successful in Europe compared to the UK (which traditionally has
never
> bought large European luxury cars with the exception of German
> 'Ubersaloons').
>
> Claire
> #2292 + 2 Vauxhalls (and I'd have another Renault any day!)
> DOC171
>
>
> From: doc-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:doc-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of
> Mike Sumner
> Sent: 01 September 2005 22:39
> To: doc-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [doc] New Ford with gull-wing doors
>
> The reason the Renault Avantime had such a limited production run
was
> because sales figures were extremely disappointing and as a result
Renault
> pulled it.
>
> I'm not the worlds biggest fan of the current styling of the Megane
which
> seems to have been started by the Avantime and Vel Satis, but
juding by the
> number of people that thought thay should fork out the £20
something grand
> for the car I'm not alone.
>
> Regards,
>
> Mike Sumner - 178
> 1999 BMW E36 Coupe
>
>
> Mike Bosworth <mike.bosworth@xxxx> wrote:
> Yes and time and time again i see these 'fantastic' concept
cars....
> i have yet to see one go into production with all... or even many
of
> the features they show...... I still like the car PhilW has the
> Renault Avantime... amazes me why it had such a limited production
> run judging by its 'replacement'.... shame....:(
>
> Regards
>
> Mike
> #2001/403
>
>
>
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