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See, there is a huge difference here.  Jack said, "I am pretty sure though
that GM."  He stated it correctly, which is we really do not know the truth.
Bob takes conjecture and hearsay and states them as fact.  Nothing he
presented about the EV1 can be substantiated.  I am willing, however, to
consider this as possible if I had real evidence.  I have yet to receive


I have no problem with electric cars or hybrids, other than the annoying
clicking sound I hear when they get stuck in my tire tread.  ;-)  I think it
is very interesting research and would like to see where it goes.  I would
like to see the hydrogen vehicles come to fruition one day as well.  The
hydrogen H2 looks very interesting.


The only other thing that concerns me is these people stating these cars are
some how more environmentally friendly than gasoline-powered cars.  Check
out the following link.






From: DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Jack Stiefel
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 3:50 PM
To: DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [DMCForum] the EV1...


I must agree here. I did see the film and was pulled into it just so far,
but as Josh said it was a tad biased (as are most political charged films).

I am pretty sure though that GM did buy technology and then throw it away,
but that's business. I am not in my business to make the World better. If
someone out there came up with a better way to do what I do and I had the
money to buy them and either absorb their tech or destroy it, I would. Does
that make me bad? Maybe, but in the end all I am here for is my kids future.
In their lives we may see an end of oil.

My personal feeling is that would be great! Let's use all the oil up and
throw the Middle East back to the Dark Ages. That would then force us to
pursue alternative methods.

I now return you to your regurarly scheduled debate already in progress.....

Darth Vadar!
Lil Cheney!
Swimsuit calendars!

Jack Stiefel - Tampa, Florida
Stiefel Aluminum Inc

DMC Vin 03461 & 16879
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Behalf Of Josh Haldeman
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 3:12 PM
To: DMCForum@yahoogroup <>
Subject: [DMCForum] the EV1...

Okay.I can stay quiet no longer on this subject! My aunt leased an EV1 when
she had the chance and took me for a ride in it once when I was out visiting

It was one of the fastest, and most well built cars I've ever seen. The
sensation of silently accelerating away from a stop light, blowing the doors
off of anything that dared give chase was fantastic! My aunt had the car
for as long as she possibly could, and fought hard when they came to pry it
away from her. She was even featured on the evening news when the story
broke that GM was taking them back. I still have one of the original GM
promotional brochures for the cars here in my collection.

Unfortunately, as the "Who Killed." movie suggests with all the other
owners, there really wasn't much she could do to keep the car. She tried
buying it at any price, but they wouldn't permit it, she tried hiding it,
but that only brought the threat of a lawsuit. She tried other means as
well, but nothing worked, and she was in tears when they came with the
flatbed to haul it away. Bob, you'll be happy to know though, that as a
child of the 60's, she flattened the tires as a form of passive resistance
when they came to pick it up. (hehe)

I was recently visiting the University of Cincinnati School of Design, Art,
Architecture and Planning, and they have an EV-1 in their lobby, because one
of their faculty members was responsible for the some of the design work.
I'll have to look into whether they still have a powerplant in theirs, as I
believe it was delivered to them prior to actual production, and there's a
slim chance it was missed when they smashed all the others. There's no
reference to it in the movie, which in my opinion really wasn't very
thorough. They based too many of their conclusions on conjecture, and
forced you to draw too many implied conclusions from the limited facts
presented. Almost every political debate has two extremes.if you consider
both, you'll find the truth somewhere in the middle. We need Greg and Bob
to help us find that middle ground truth, so thanks guys!


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<><>] On Behalf
Of delorean
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 2:42 PM
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Subject: Re: [DMCForum] RE: [DML] 50 Worst Cars-What Moron Wrote This?

Greg you really need to watch "who killed the electric car". I
watched it and couldnt believe what GM did and the Oil companies.
There are actual people who worked for GM and other places that said
that it was a cover up cause the car did work better than GM wanted
it to.

Mark V

On Sep 10, 2007, at 1:07 PM, Bob Brandys wrote:

> Greg, You said
> "The EV1 in the Crawford Auto Museum in Cleveland, OH still
> has the A/C controller in the car as of right now. It took me five
> minutes
> to verify that, so that kills another one of your conspiracy
> theories."
> Did you go see the car? Did you look inside the controller box?
> Did
> Crawford ACTUALLY look inside the box?
> Check the facts on the EV1 in the Peterson museum. All the guts were
> removed.
> They state this in the Movie.
> Aren't facts a bitch?
> Besides, if Big Oil wanted to make more evil profit all
> they would have to do is buy out Big Battery and they would have the
> market
> cornered.
> Big Oil did.!
> Check out who now owns the patent rights to the Ovionic's large scale
> LiOH batteries.
> Patent bought by GM and shut down production. Then GM sold the patent
> to Chevron. They state this in the Movie.
> Aren't facts a bitch?
> BTW. In the Museum of Science and Industry in Chicago, they have a
> 1926 Electric car.
> It states, "The company was bought by GM and then closed." Gee, it
> appears the conspiracy started in 1926.
> Aren't facts a bitch?
> BTW, ever hear about the Electric Datsons from the 1980s? They
> were in
> production and making money.
> An investor came in with the gize of wanting to double production.
> Guess what he did? He closed the company.
> Guess who the investor had ties to? GM? Gee, the conspiracy
> continued in the 1980s.
> I know Al Sawyer who ran this company and he and his employees got
> ripped off. They tried to sue, but could do nothing.
> (We will be producing a video about this story in the next month.)
> See the movie. Actually, it should be titled "Who killed the electric
> car-Part 3."
> Part 2 was the electrics that were killed in the 80s.
> Part 1 was the electrics that were killed in the 20s.

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