[DMCForum] Re: I must quit yet again (Warning: Christian Content)

["content22207" <brobertson@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

I'm not denying the existence of free will. In fact I stated that
humans have a choice of pushing water uphill or going with the flow.
But we decieve ourselves if we think we have an ounce of influence
over God or His purposes. Oh sure, humans have a long and imfamous
history of gumming up the works. But in the end God's purposes will be
worked. The question is: will you speed the process up or delay it?

The falacy of human power has led to all sorts of tragically amusing
follies: stilt houses hanging off California hillsides, condo's
jutting into defiantly into the Atlantic Ocean, New Orleans praying
its sea levies hold, etc. etc. etc. Americans feast on hormone laced
McNuggets in ignorant bliss. They can't afford their bloated mortgages
now, much less save a penny for the future. And don't even think about
getting me started on the catastophy that is contemporary American
Public Education!

Yes, a long a storied history of humans thinking they have all the
power in the world. Rivers dam'ed until downwater land chokes in
salinity. An industrial agrarian system built on just 4 strands of
wheat that can't even reproduce themselves. Y'know, God looks pretty
good in comparison...

Would love to go on, but I've got a massive paper due tomorrow morning
(6:15 am class -- I never knew such things even existed!).

Bill Robertson
#5939

>--- In DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "therealdmcvegas" <dmcvegas@xxxx> wrote:
> Well, that's pretty messed up right there to think that in life you're
> powerless. God isn't responsible for the screw-ups and misforuntes of
> every single person on this planet. I seriously doubt that it's within
> God's plan to create slavery, and keep people trapped in abusive
> relationships. These are human institutions.
> 
> I mean, if you "misunderstood" your devine calling in life, doesn't
> that mean that you are powerful? I mean after all, you have just
> defied the will of God. Maybe it wasn't intentional, but it certainly
> happened. You were able to alter the devine plans and workings of God.
> Sorta if when God said "Let there be light!", you would have been
> there to blow out the pilot light. No matter how small or
> insignificant, you were able to exert more power.
> 
> Personally, I prefer the concept of Free Will. Keeps people more in
> check, because it shifts the burdon of responsability of the actions
> of a persons life back to where they belong: On the person in question.
> 
> It's like this converstaion that I once had. If you met God, and could
> only have one question answered with absolute truth, what would you
> ask. Sure there was the typical "Why do we suffer?", "What's the
> purpose of life?" etc.. Me? My question would be simple: "How are you
> doing?" It sounds like I mocking the subject, but I'm not. All my life
> I've heard people put the blame of their miseries onto God. "God
> didn't stop me from temptation!" or "Why did God let this happen to
> me?" And everyone seems to have selfish prayers. Sure, it's good to be
> thankful for your rewards in life, but has anyone ever just been
> concerned about how God is doing? It's like having bratty kids. You
> build them a planet, ya give them totaly control over it. You give
> them inspiration. And they only time that they call to talk with you,
> is when they want something. And no one ever takes the time to ask you
> how you're doing. Everyone just assumes that God is OK, because God is
> so all powerful, and must therefore be above emotion. But has anyone
> ever asked, let alone cared?
> 
> That's just some of my random thoughts.
> 
> -Robert
> 
> 
> 
> --- In DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "content22207" <brobertson@xxxx> wrote:
> > I feel your pain. To accumulate enough Ed credits to qualify for
> > lateral entry into the teaching profession this fall, I am taking 3
> > classes in one summer session (2 different schools). Am not committed
> > yet, but fully expect to be by the time school starts. This has got to
> > be the dumbest thing I've ever done. It's a Christian thing too -- for
> > some reason I felt called to become a public school instructor. Now
> > realize I may have misunderstood what God was saying.
> > 
> > Except for finding a server home, is there much issue here? The Forum
> > isn't moderated. Someone may need to change the home page graphic &
> > text from time to time. Any other admin duties?
> > 
> > At one time Dave Swingle used to lurk the Forum. Why don't we call him
> > out and welcome him to the online food fight as an open participant.
> > 
> > Some advice from one Christian to another: let go. You may still be
> > hanging on to the mistaken notion that you actually exercise some
> > power in this humanly unfathomable world. You don't. Like me, you are
> > powerless. Totally powerless. Completely, utterly, hopelessly
powerless.
> > 
> > God, however, has unlimited power. There is nothing God CAN'T do. He
> > is as powerful as you are powerless (a neverending source of
> > hopefulness BTW).
> > 
> > So what would a thinking man do? Common sense dictates letting go of
> > the mistaken notion of one's own power, and embracing fully the
> > reality of God's unlimited power. In essence you become a wrench or a
> > socket in God's tool chest. He will then use you in ways only He can
> > understand to accomplish His ends on Earth. Remember, our world
> > shifted on its axis when God came to us as a human -- from that point
> > forward He has been using human beings as his agents of change rather
> > than doing it all Himself. Personally I can't understand His
> > methodology, but all I have to do is look at foibles of the original
> > 12 stooges -- er, disciples -> apostles -- (who were hand picked by
> > God himself, I hasten to point out) to realize that I too am part of
> > the plan too, imperfections and all. Is really quite exciting, to be
> > honest.
> > 
> > Consider this: Our world is running out of conventional energy
> > sources. Like a house built on sand, billions of intrinsically
> > valuable human lives depend upon things that are guaranteed to end.
> > It's a potential catastrophy of Biblical proportions. Is it possible
> > God could use you in the quest for replacements? Not every participant
> > in that quest is going to be wearing a lab coat.
> > 
> > Of course time travel is fun. God invented time, and everything about
> > God is fun, so his time creation is indelibly stamped with fun-ness.
> > (I'm sure old friends reminiscing the past and newlyweds looking to
> > the future can give me an "Amen" on that). Sometimes human beings try
> > to take the fun out of God with their religious practices and
> > institutions, but such efforts are ultimately doomed to failure.
> > Humans are well advised to stop trying to push water uphill and simply
> > embrace God completely, fun and all.
> > 
> > Bill Robertson
> > #5939
> > 
> > >--- In DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Walter Coe" <Whalt@xxxx> wrote:
> > > I am no longer competent enough to be in charge of the
> > > DMCForum.  And it is not like I have been trying lately.
> > > All of this Einstein's work that I have finished has made me
> > > question my sanity enough that I had to enter myself into a
> > > mental hospital.  They say I am not crazy but just shaken
> > > (or stirred?) due to understanding how all the forces in
> > > nature relate.  God willing, I can do anything including
> > > move mountains, find free energy, perform miracles, etc,
> > > etc.  Sorry folks, this is a Christian thing.  It is what
> > > happens when you get a technical minded person to
> > > unconditionally trust God.  If you dont believe me then, God
> > > willing, I will levitate my DeLorean at a future show.  It
> > > is really quite easy to do once you know how.  Gravity
> > > behaves as heat.  It soaks into things when leveraged by
> > > magnetism.  Materials that make good conductors and
> > > insulators of electricity also behave similarly to gravity
> > > as gravity is a counterpart to negative charge propagation.
> > > 
> > > So anyway, Greg & Rich or whoever needs to manage the
> > > DMCForum web site cuz for various reasons stated above, I
> > > cant.  You guys need to change the hosting to something else
> > > because I have trouble remembering to write checks to the
> > > current ISP to keep it going.  Or should we just turn it all
> > > over to Dave Swingle?  As long as we have an off-topic area
> > > to discuss club issues then I can see that working.  Or is
> > > Dave Swingle's name mud around here?  Hey, we are all made
> > > of mud, per se.  And as government intelligence (is that an
> > > oxymoron?) suggests, I am "muddy".  This means that I know
> > > too much about technology.  But that is okay as I dont harm
> > > people.  I just like to play with their minds finding ways
> > > to repair them.
> > > 
> > > See you guys in the future.  Time travel is Fun-orious.
> > > 
> > > Walt

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