[DMCForum] Re: !! - starting problem please back on track solved?
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[DMCForum] Re: !! - starting problem please back on track solved?



Brian,

Good to hear you finally got this one solved. Putting in new parts and
having them fail right away is always frustrating. I just replaced the
baffle in mine last night with John Hervey's fix, so I know how much
fun you've been having playing with fuel (read: none).

-Ryan

--- In DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Brian" <TK581@xxxx> wrote:
> It was the fuel pump...damn - it was BRAND NEW!!
>
> I put in the old one and it started right up...
>
> BUT  I got to learn a hell of a lot and for that I am very thankful!!
>
> Especially to you Rich for being patient with me and taking me
> through steps that may well come in handy in the future!!
>
> thanks again!
>
> --- In DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Brian" <TK581@xxxx> wrote:
> > I would like to thank everybody who offers thier knowledge.  When
> it
> > comes to electronics I am a beginner though so please be patient.
> >
> > Okay, I got the starting fluid and tried it with the jumper in
> > place.  It did indeed start... then stop.  duh - should have
> known. 
> > It seems pretty obvious that there is not enough or no power going
> > to the pump.  What struck me as odd though is that my pump is hot
> > where I never noticed that before.  I double checked the wires
> that
> > plug in right under the spare tire well (you know, the ones nearly
> > imposible to hook and un-hook - at least in my car)  The hot pump
> > kind of scares me but I'm going to swap the old pump back becasue
> it
> > makes sense in my own mind.  If that one doesn't get enough power
> > then I can assume it is an electrical problem.  I'll probably get
> a
> > new relay anyways just in case.
> >
> > I hope I didn't blow anything up...
> >
> > --- In DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "cruznmd" <racuti1@xxxx> wrote:
> > > Wow...
> > >
> > > It's a mystery for sure. I mean is it really likely that the
> fuel
> > > pump AND the relay are faulty?
> > >
> > > You do realize that you will only have voltage for 1 second when
> > the
> > > RPM relay is in place and you turn the key on right? The engine
> > has
> > > to be turning for the relay to engage constantly. The RPM relay
> > has a
> > > timer chip and an input from the ignition coil sensing engine
> > > rotation. It's a safety device. The fuel pump isn't meant to run
> > when
> > > the key is on, but the engine isn't running.
> > >
> > > Hm...I agree with your choice of action. If you have voltage at
> > the
> > > fuel pump, ON THE FUEL PUMP +/- TERMINALS, and you have no
> sound,
> > or
> > > vibration, swap your old pump back in.
> > >
> > > It would be a shame if your new pump died already. It has
> happened
> > > before though so I wouldn't be totally shocked.
> > >
> > > Rich A.
> > >
> > > --- In DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Brian" <TK581@xxxx> wrote:
> > > > Okay - I didn't bother test starting it because with the
> jumper
> > (a
> > > > godd one) in place and a full battery I'm getting 9.5volts at
> > the
> > > > pump.  I do not hear the pump either (with ignition turned or
> > > off). 
> > > > I might replace the new pump with my old one to check to see
> if
> > I
> > > > get a different result (I don't think my old pump was ever
> > broken,
> > > I
> > > > just replaced it as a revamp)  - should I even bother with
> > that? 
> > > SO
> > > > I'm pretty sure that the relay is bad becasue I get no voltage
> > when
> > > > it is place and at least I get 9.5 when I have the jumper in
> > place.
> > > > I hope to have some more info by tomorrow evening...  :)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > It's not a dumb question. Remove the air cleaner and press
> > down
> > > > the
> > > > > air flow sensor, spray in a little starter fluid. DONT go
> nuts
> > > > with
> > > > > it. You could flood the engine or worse, have a wicked back-
> > fire.
> > > > >
> > > > > Just a "one thousand and one" squirt. Start the car
> > immediately
> > > > > before it all evaporates.
> > > > >
> > > > > Tell me again: Did you hear or feel fuel pump activity with
> > the
> > > > good
> > > > > jumper in between 30 and 87?? Did you measure 12 volts at
> the
> > > fuel
> > > > > pump wires when the jumper was in place??
> > > > >
> > > > > Don't bother starting the car with the relay in place. We
> > already
> > > > > know it doesn't work.
> > > > >
> > > > > If you have 12 volts on the fuel pump with the jumper and
> you
> > > hear
> > > > it
> > > > > buzz, with the jumper, it's worth a test start.
> > > > >
> > > > > Rich A.
> > > > > #5335
> > > > >


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