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Perhaps they should put up exactly what THEIR "horsepower" measures,
*AND HOW IT IS CALCULATED*, or shut up.

I've already told you how mine is calculated (it's actually James
Watt's definition, which has been good enough for the rest of the
world for more than a hundred years).

"It measures engine power" alone just won't cut it. That's an empty
sentence, or a subjective one, unverifiable by any means.

Bill Robertson
#5939

>--- In DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Farrar Russell Carroll Hudkins"
<fhudkins@xxxx> wrote:
> Bill, man... don't bother. You're just adding fuel to these guys.
> Don't spark the argument. I don't wanna see you leave again. Your
> knowledge is too valuable to the rest of us to be lost over more
> bullshit bickering. Don't argue. Some things will never be resolved.
> Don't give up on the Forum.
>
> Farrar
>
>       -----Original Message-----
>       From: content22207 [mailto:brobertson@xxxx]
>       Sent: Tue 4/13/2004 11:11 PM
>       To: DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>       Cc:
>       Subject: [DMCForum] Urp -- Now I Remember Why Gave Up On The
> Forum
>      
>      
>
>       Oh please...
>      
>       Horsepower is a chimera. Remove either torque or RPM from the
>       equation, and it vanishes. It ceases to exist. "Horsepower" is
> nothing
>       more than an _expression_ of a certain amount of torque produced
> at a
>       certain number of engine revolutions.
>      
>       Did you not take high school algebra?
>      
>       How can I make it any plainer: Torque is measured independent
> of
>       RPM's. Torque is certainly measured independent of
> "horsepower".
>       Likewise RPM's are measured independent of torque or
> "horsepower". But
>       I absolutely defy you to merely express "hosepower" without
> both, much
>       less try to measure it as some sort of independent force.
> Can't be done.
>      
>       Urp.
>      
>       Bill Robertson
>       #5939
>      
>       >--- In DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, ihaveanaccount@xxxx wrote:
>       >
>       > The village idiot returns.
>       >
>       > Horsepower measures power, therefore a high horsepower
> engine has
>       more "power" than a low horsepower engine.
>       >
>       > The 240HP, 153ftlb F20C engine from honda has the same
> torque as the
>       Delorean PRV.  The F20C will outperform the PRV every time.
> Just shut
>       up if you can't figure out what HP is.
>       >
>       > The audi S-series are fine sports cars, and are luxury as a
> bonus.
>       It's more sport than the Delorean or your damn Lincolns will
> ever be.
>       >
>       >
>       > Jim
>       > "HP is basically a measure of TIME" message 10057
>       >
>       >
>       >
>       > -- "content22207" <brobertson@xxxx> wrote:
>       > Isn't the key word in your post "turbo"? Houston's engine is
> NOT
>       > forced induction.
>       >
>       > Plus I hate to point out the obvious, but while an Audi can
> be called
>       > many things, "sports car" isn't one of them.
>       >
>       > Torque is the name of the game though, isn't it. Without it,
> you don't
>       > tow anything. My Ford truck with "only" 170 HP pulled a
> 5,000 lbs
>       > Lincoln over South Mountain (Maryland I-70, ask Mike C or
> Rich A about
>       > it) with some effort, but still cresting in 2nd gear.
>       >
>       > Have you noticed all the truck ads on TV tout torque, not
> HP?
>       > Horsepower doesn't mean a thing. It's a playground term for
> white boys
>       > to toss around in the Autozone parking lot.
>       >
>       > BTW: what's the GTW of that unit body Audi? May need to take
> it easy
>       > before you rip the poor thing in half...
>       >
>       > Bill Robertson
>       > #5939
>       >
>       > >--- In DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Andrew <aos+yahoo@xxxx>
> wrote:
>       > > On Tue, 13 Apr 2004, content22207 wrote:
>       > >
>       > > > A high torque engine operating in a fairly narrow power
> band may
>       post
>       > > > low HP numbers, but is actually more powerful than a low
> torque,
>       high
>       > > > rev'ing engine with higher HP numbers. That's one reason
> you never
>       > see a
>       > > > sports car towing a boat trailer.
>       > >
>       > > Bill is obviously not familiar with Audi turbo engines.
> :-)
>       > >
>       > > > Note also that such an engine is useless until it rev's
> up to its
>       > power
>       > > > band -- if you can't get there, you have nothing.
> Standing
>       still, that
>       > > > 300 HP sports car hooked to a boat trailer would either
> stall,
>       or burn
>       > > > up its clutch/clutch discs, trying to move.
>       > >
>       > > mmm-hmmm... I've got a 450 horsepower, 580 lb-ft twin
> turbo Audi
>       > that tows
>       > > a 2000 lb trailer just fine, thanks.
>       > >
>       > > Just giving you a hard time, Bill...  :)
>       > >
>       > > -andrew
>       >
>       >
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