[DMCForum] Re: Glitch #182

["Scott Mueller" <scott.a.mueller@xxxxxxxxx>]

The actual "Bolt Stretch" would be greater on the threaded fastener that
is
lubricated verses the "Bolt Stretch" on the unlubricated fastener with the
same "Indicated Torque" value.

So, the lubricated fastener would be "Tighter" than the unlubricated
fastener.  Tightness being measured by using the "Bolt Stretch" method.

You run the risk of pulling the threads on the stud or lug nut.

Just don't lubricate the threads, and tighten to 70 Lb-Ft.

I do not see a problem with a thin layer of "Anti-seize between the wheel
and hub, unless the "anti-seize" would migrate to the brakes.  The last
thing the brakes on a DeLorean needs is a reduction of coefficient of
friction.

Scott

-----Original Message-----
From: Martin Gutkowski [mailto:webmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] 
Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2003 8:09 AM
To: DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [DMCForum] Re: Glitch #182


Seems to me that says "don't use grease because if you don't tighten the 
nuts up properly, the grease will make them come loose faster"

Am I wrong? Just tighten them up properly....

-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Mueller [mailto:scott.a.mueller@xxxxxxxxx] 
Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2003 7:54 AM
To: 'DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Subject: RE: [DMCForum] Re: Glitch #182


Since we are talking about DeLoreans, I will refer you to the DMC DeLorean
Workshop  manual #113095, page L:12:01

GENERAL INFORMATION

2. Never use oil or grease on the studs or nuts.  Improperly tightened
nuts
could eventually allow the wheel to come off, while the car is moving,
causing loss of control.

Here is another reference from the Owners Manual, Page 36, which says the
same thing as listed above.

ftp://dmcnews.com/pub/ownmanr1.pdf

I included the web address of the owners manual on the DMCNEWS website.

Respectfully,

Scott Mueller
002981
RNDOLA



-----Original Message-----
From: Martin Gutkowski [mailto:webmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] 
Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2003 6:45 PM
To: DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [DMCForum] Re: Glitch #182


Do you have any evidence to back this up? Alloy wheels will weld 
themselves to hubs, nuts sieze on studs, and I've had the same 
experience as Rich, replacing an alloy only to not be able to remove it 
3 weeks later. All it cost _me_ was two new lug nuts. I habitually use 
copper grease now, in common with just about every garage in the country.

Lubrication on a thread will allow you to achieve the torque the wrench 
tells you, rather than losing some of it to friction. It will not cause 
them to come loose.

Personally, I use spray-on copper slip which is a solvent-based 
anti-sieze compound which leaves a thin layer of copper dust in a light 
grease.

Martin

Scott Mueller wrote:

>If you are thinking about putting "Anti-Seize" or oil on the threads of
your
>lug nuts, do NOT do it.
> 
>You will end up over torqing the threads or the nuts could loosen on
there
>own while you are driving.
> 
>LUG NUTS ARE MEANT TO BE TORQUED WHEN THE THREADS ARE DRY.
> 
>Scott Mueller
>002981
>RNDOLA
>  
>





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