[DML] Re: DOA and the Future - Long
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[DML] Re: DOA and the Future - Long



I don't know if that original invite was intended to leave the DMA out
or not. It is kind of hard NOT to remember them in that particular
region, but I'll give the benefit of the doubt here.

As for Kevin & Ken's replies, I understand both completely. Tempers
are FLARING! Everyone has a short fuse for their own reasons. Could
both of them have worded things better? Certainly. But I won't hold
anything against either of them because they both have a right to feel
the way that they do. It's just the nature of the situation we're in,
and hindsight is always 20/20.

On the flip side, I am glad to see Ken Baker give a honest, human
response in public. I believe I understand why he said what he did,
but in doing so he pointed out the biggest flaw: His unwillingness for
public discussion. If Ken did previously speak with Kevin and others
in private that the DOA is trying to do one thing (in this case work
with other clubs), and then they contradict him in public (by stating
that the DOA in fact trying to exclude other clubs), I could TOTALLY
understand his anger. But still, that's giving the benefit of the
doubt that phone conversation actually happened, and we don't really
know if it did. In this case here, Ken, you left yourself open. I
mean, we could have a conversation together on the phone right now,
and it be totally pleasant. And then one of us could go off and tell
our acquaintances and friends that the other was the rudest person
ever, and whatever else we wanted to make up. And no one would know
the difference because we didn't have our conversation in public for
others to witness. It's not right. It would make both of us
vulnerable. Which is why I will not contact you, nor any other DOA
people by phone for a one-on-one. When you come to Vegas, or I come to
California and we both have other people around, we'll all sit down
and chat then. When we talk together, we need to be equals, nothing
less. Believe me, it's to protect us both. And I think that I can
speak for a few other people here too with that statement.

As for what Ken Baker is going through? I don't know what exactly it
is? Crushing pressure of public criticism and impossible hurdles
frustraiting him beyond belief? Maybe he's rising up to the challenge
and see's those same obstacles as opprotunities rather than
dificulties? I have no idea, and I'm not going to speak for the guy. I
would hope that if he does have problems, that he reaches out for
help. He might just be surprised at what he finds.

You did ask a VERY important question, Tom: "What has Ken Baker done
to (me or) anyone?" I'll be honest, I feel threatened. Not that I'm
vying for any sort of power or control over people. No. But I do want
to enjoy MY experience with MY DeLorean as I see fit. I have no need
for any sort of national club. I don't want one. I'll stay local. I
like the people here in Las Vegas, and I enjoy interacting with them
when I get the chance. I also know that my model of vehicle has
certain requirements to operate in this harsh environment. And the
same is true for other cars that are at opposite ends of the world. My
local club is better suited to serve my needs, because they better
understand them. A national club does not. Aside from that, getting
down to the nitty-gritty here: I don't need someone to tell me how I'm
supposed to enjoy my car. I LOVE the patina of my steering wheel &
shifter, as much as I love my custom speakers and seat covers. And
what I don't need is someone coming in and telling me that I'm a bad
owner because I've *modified* my car with aftermarket parts, or that
I've *neglected* it because I don't replace those small cosmetic ones
that no longer look new. These are standards to which my local club
does not hold me, and I like them for that. And I especially think
that no other DeLorean owners should have to be subjected to those
kind of hostilities either. Let them remain a local club to the
greater Los Angeles area, and I'll endorse them and will even work
with them organizing future events.

I've asked these questions time and time again, and still no answer
from the DOA. Their silence speaks volumes. My worries and concerns
have not been addressed. Hell, I don't even know what Ken Baker's
stance is on painting and modifying DeLoreans! The impression I've
gotten so far is that Ken Baker is just some car salesman from Florida
who wants to run a club that is going to try and hold me to their
standards, but just ignores public questions. I don't know anything
about him, so where is my incentive here to trust him or the DOA?

-Robert
vin 6585 "X"



--- In dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "outatime81" <outatime81@...> wrote:
>
> I have been reading the back and forth about the issue with the DOA 
> and the DMA in terms of the invitation, or lack there and the ongoing 
> mis-trust that is evident.  
> 
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