Re: [DML] Calling all Eastern DeLorean Owners and DOA Members!!!
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Re: [DML] Calling all Eastern DeLorean Owners and DOA Members!!!

     I think you need to look in the mirror.  You spank Kevin for 
asking the question if the DOA is unwilling to recognize other 
DeLorean groups, which is a valid question (I will expand that 
thought in a moment), and then you go on to make a negative comment 
about the DMA, Kevin's local group; true, but negative nonetheless.  
The first person who should apologize is you.  Your comment was 
uncalled for and not the kind of statement I'd expect from the 
President of a club, especially club that appears to have a negative 
stigma associated with it for a lot of people.  I understand that you 
are taking the DOA in a new direction, and that's great, but you have 
to realize that a lot of people still have a very bad taste in their 
mouths where the DOA is concerned and you will either have to 
overcome that or understand that these people will never be your fans.
     As for addressing Kevin's question, in the past the DOA has 
tried to organize events in the backyard of several successful clubs 
without even contacting them, and I know of at least one event that 
failed as a result, perhaps not as a direct result, but it certainly 
looks that way.  There may be more but I am only aware of the facts 
of one in particular.  The others may have been successes, but I 
never heard anything about them.  When you want to hold an event 
where there is a local club established, common courtesy dictates 
that you, at the very least, contact the local club and let them know 
of your plans.  Whether you want to invite them to participate, help, 
plan, or merely attend, that's just the right thing to do.  History 
has shown that in the recent past, two such events were planned by 
the DOA without so much as making an attempt to contact the local 
clubs.  That's as good as saying "we don't need you" whether or not 
you ever make that actual statement.  So you can see, feathers have 
been ruffled because the DOA has snubbed local clubs on two occasions 
that I personally know of, and one of the clubs I believe is the 
largest DeLorean club around.  Big enough that Ken Koncelik keeps his 
car show within a narrow radius of their population because he will 
get the most attendance from that group of owners and enthusiasts.
     So understand that comments and questions such as Kevin's may 
not be intended to slam the DOA, but to point out there there is a 
better way of doing things, perhaps constructive criticism.  Sure, 
there's animosity in the Delorean community against the DOA, but if 
you're truly interested in overcoming that, I would think you would 
be more inclined to listen and act than you would be to attack.
     Me, personally, I am taking a "wait and see" attitude with the 
DOA before making any decisions.  I am looking to see if the DOA is 
going to be tolerant of local groups and interested in partnering and 
working with other clubs for events, shows, and just fun get-
togethers.  IMHO-and it is worth exactly what it cost you-what I am 
seeing up to now can best be described by The Who as: "Meet the new 
boss, same as the old boss."  I'm still hoping that things will 

Matt Olans
VIN 16816

--- In dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Ken Baker" <kenbaker1265@...> wrote:
> Kevin, 
> that comment was totally uncalled for. Mark is trying to get 
involvement for a show. Nowhere did he segregating DeLorean owners. 
That is not the kind of crap we participate in. People like you 
accuse us of doing that and we don't. Why doing you get off your high 
horse and stop this and start enjoying your hobby!!! We have been 
working diligently with ALL organizations and you know it! I'm 
getting tired of this. Since the election we have been doing nothing 
but working with the entire DeLorean community. You know it because 
you called me to talk about it. Your comment is unnecessary and we 
deserve and appology. By By the way, how is the DMA doing? Not so 
perfect is it!
> All the Best, 
> Ken Baker
> 561-866-1601
> President 
> DeLorean Owners Association
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Kevin Abato<mailto:delorean@...> 
>   To: DML<mailto:dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
>   Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 11:38 AM
>   Subject: Re: [DML] Calling all Eastern DeLorean Owners and DOA 
>   "Calling all Eastern DeLorean Owners"
>   Ummm.. You mean "Delorean Mid-Atlantic members"?  Or is the DOA 
unwilling to recognize other Delorean groups?
>   Kevin Abato
>   VIN# 16680
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: "delorean83us" <delorean83us@...<mailto:delorean83us@...>>
>   Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 03:37:02 
>   To: <dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
>   Subject: [DML] Calling all Eastern DeLorean Owners and DOA 
>   Calling one, calling all!!!  Show your support for Chapter 2 of 
the DOA
>   at this year's Sunbury River Festival Car show. 
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