Re: [DML] Re: DeLorean Owners Association
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Re: [DML] Re: DeLorean Owners Association

You put good informatin in your post. I am trying, even as a non board
member, to change the DOA. I am also aware of how dissapointing the DOA
website is. I see no info like what you would like, plus more. Where is the
rules and bylaws, the financial standings of the club, a map of the country
with the boundaries of each chapter, etc etc. I want to help change the DOA.
But I don't want to bring it back to its former glory;no, I want to do
better than that and make it something we all can enjoy.

As far as a DOA tech day, It's not official yet but I am planning one for
the DCF crew and might have a little DOA involvement.

On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 12:28 AM, therealdmcvegas <dmcvegas@xxxxxxxxx>

>   Touche. You bring up a very good point here that a national
> organization can indeed function properly and have happy members.
> However examining those sites for the clubs you mentioned, there are
> some serious differences. The DOA's site is the only one that is
> devoid of a Mission Statement, a List of member benefits, and any
> online technical library/archives. I'm sure that other marquees have
> clubs that represent them, and their members are quite happy with
> them. However keep in mind that there is a good reason for that. Other
> than one single event which is just a cruise-in, the events listed on
> the DOA's site are just other classic car events that they are just
> suggesting their members attend.
> When was the last time the DOA hosted a Tech Day for any of their
> members? Not a brunch for everyone to get together and BS, but a real,
> let's get greasy and fix up some cars kinda Tech Day? Be it locally or
> abroad, when was the last time anyone from the DOA organized a
> sanctioned Tech Day to work on cars, and perform safety checks on each
> others vehicles?
> Even tonight I received an e-mail in regards to the DOA being a local
> club exclusive to Southern California. I was corrected, and want to
> publicly apologize: The DOA shouldn't be listed as a regional club for
> SoCal, but rather for Los Angeles exclusively. As was explained to me,
> San Diego members have been ignored for quite some time. Even when
> then president Linda Porter lived in North San Diego county, members
> in San Diego went unnoticed. So even then there are more grievances
> that should be addressed. More importantly, what is the DOA going to
> do in the future in order help out people on an individual level? Once
> again the question of "What are the true benefits of membership?" goes
> unanswered. Because right now all the DOA's site says is you get
> access to some message boards (like we need yet another), a magazine
> that people apparently have no input on, instant membership in some
> local *club* which *maybe* you happen to be near, and discounts on
> swag from the DOA's online store. None of that appeals to me, nor the
> greater majority of people. I have my shirts and buy more when I need
> them, I already interact with many other groups, and I already have
> access to technical support online and over the phone from vendors.
> What's left? Prestige? Because that the DOA can't offer me. In fact
> most people who I've met over the years who are members have told me
> that the only reason they keep that membership is to add copies of the
> magazine to their memorabilia collections in case they ever sell their
> cars, and need some bonus gifts to throw in to sweeten the deal. Even
> they admit the DOA serves no real purpose.
> Further more, no, the name of the DOA should not change. ESPECIALLY to
> "DeLorean Motor Club". If a new club that begins with that name
> emerges, then Robin McNeil and the other co-founder (whose name
> escapes me at the moment) should be given credit where credit is due
> as the pioneers who tried to fight the Goliath that tried to crush so
> many under it's feet.
> All I'm asking for is answers. Answer publicly, and honestly, and
> *gasp* you might just win me over to your side.
> -Robert
> vin 6585 "X"
> --- In dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <>, "Mike S."
> <drivestainless@...> wrote:
> >
> > Ken Baker wrote:
> >
> > > I also understand that intellegent people
> > > can understand that a debate on the internet
> > > can be counter productive. So if anyone would
> > > like to ask me questions directly I will be
> > > happy to discuss any comment, questions, concerns
> > > or perceptions. Just email me your contact
> > > information and I will be happy to call you.
> >
> > As a DML moderator I must agree with Mr. Baker's assertion that
> > internet debates can be counter-productive. I love all the DML
> > subscribers, but already this week two of you have tried to re-hash
> > very old arguments that can never be resolved on the DML.
> >
> > And it's only Tuesday.
> >
> > Tonight I took Ken Baker up on his offer and contacted him privately.
> > I believe that his desire to reshape the DOA is sincere. I also
> > believe that he is in for a very difficult challenge, demanding
> > Koncelik-esque dedication. I hope he can pull it off.
> >
> > IMO this week's DML conversation about the DOA's name is very amusing.
> > But personally, considering the serious nature of other issues DMLers
> > have brought forward in the last thirteen years, I hope that changing
> > the name is pretty low on Mr. Baker's priority list.
> >
> > For those who doubt the value of a national / international club, I
> > suggest that you attend a major orphan or British Car show in your
> > region. See what The Strudebaker Driver's Club, Austin Healey Club
> > USA, The North American Triumph Car Club, and other orphan car clubs
> > do for their marques. Believe it or not, it is possible for the
> > members to love the club.
> >
> > - Mike Substelny
> > VIN 01280 for fifteen years
> >

Joe Gravelle
"Willing To Go Above and Beyond"

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