Re: [DML] Concours- was Blue Book Value

["therealdmcvegas" <dmcvegas@xxxxxxx>]

I never wanted to compete in Councours, because it just doesn't suit
me to have to preserve my car, rather than drive it. Of course, I am
appriciative of those who have, because it does set a fine example for
what an original car should be like when it was new, for those whom
are curious.

I've taken allot of time to think about this, and I know what the
answer is for myself, as to what my real beef here is. Preserving a
car because you want to actively compete in concours I support.
Because even though the car may not be driven, it is *technicly* being
actively used in a competition of some sort.

What I cannot stand are the people who simply want to hide the cars
away, because they have some sort of obsessive-compulsive disorder
when it comes to preventing any type of milage to accumulate on the
car. And it's these fools whom get lumped in together with those in
active competition.

Mopar Hemis, and other cars are yet another apples to oranges
comparison to DeLoreans. How many Chrysler models were available with
Hemi options. Now compare how many of these models were produced
overall, versus how many took that Hemi option. So this does indeed
justify as to why these cars were rare, hense their value. Now look at
the DeLorean. 1 platform, 1 model, 2 factory options, and only trival
cosmetic changes. Otherwise, it just the same car.

With muscle cars, you break it down to
Year->Manufacturer->Platform->Model->Powerplant->Transmission->Option
Package->Paint color->Assorted Documentation. And then divide this by
production #'s. So if someone says, I want a numbers matching 1971
Dodge Challenger R/T with a 440 & pistol grip trans in Arctic White
with NO vinyl top & it's build sheet, then yes, that's a rare car,
because of it's production numbers, which usually justifies it's value.

The DMC-12 just doesn't have that kind of diversity, even though there
were far more Dodge Challengers (in the example here) built, than
DMC-12s. In fact, about the closest you'll ever see to someone getting
like this, is when they want a car with a gas flap. The number of fine
examples has nothing to do with it. In fact, muscle cars have become
quite popular, because those whom remember them from their youth, and
now have the means to buy them, and creating said demand.

-Robert
vin 6585 "X"



--- In dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, mike.griese@xxxx wrote:
> 
> Ten years ago neither were Mopar Hemi's.  
> 
> One of the reasons they have taken off is that people are
> willing to restore the cars to as-new, original condition.
> 
> Owners of anything reserve the right to be stuck up "just
> because".  They don't need a car competition for that.
> And there will always be people with enough disposable
> income and the will to restore a DeLorean or anything
> else to whatever level they want.  You don't have to 
> participate, and I don't see how letting others participate
> is such an issue.  The fact that there is a Concours doesn't
> necessarily mean that the cars will go up in value, but I'm
> pretty sure that not having one would keep the price of
> the cars depressed because it is difficult for buyers to 
> know what they are buying without a standard of some
> sort.  
> 
> --
> Mike








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