[DML] Re: Bolt On Performance.

["welmoedj" <joe.dalton@xxxxxxxxxx>]

I can do nothing but agree with John's arguments.
However to silence the comments I will provide data in the near 
future.
Since I bought the car I kept track of mileage and fuel quantities 
used.
Over 5500 Miles that resulted in 22.5 Miles per gallon.
I now will first drive around enough to have more miles and gallons 
from the moment I changed coil and cables.
The first full tank however already showed a better fuel consumption 
(increase of mileage up to 27.05 per gallon). And have not yet 
changed the spark plug gap.
Should this mileage stay steadily I only can say again: case proven!

I only would like to know when David considers improvement to be 
performance (improvement)? Only when HP or Torque is largely improved?
Moreover, like John noted "Ounces make pounds".

Welmoed.


--- In dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "John Hervey" <john@...> wrote:
>
> David, 
> All I can say to this is "Ounces make pounds " and with the 
DeLorean I'll
> take what ever ounce I can get within reason to make a better 
performance
> car.
> It sounds like unless someone can prove to you that 30 year old 
parts that
> have been updated and improved and the factories spend millions to 
develop
> aren't going to make any difference to you in our cars unless they 
can prove
> it to you. Ok, Let them prove it to you while I move on.
> John
> 
> 
> 
>   
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On 
Behalf Of
> David Teitelbaum
> Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 7:57 AM
> To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [DML] Re: Bolt On Performance.
> 
> I never said NOT to try to improve your "D". What I AM trying to 
> point out is that there is a very limited amount of improvement to 
> be gained by buying expensive "performance" parts. In many cases 
> there will be NO improvement. You really have to look at it as 
> a "bang-for-the-buck" kind of equation. You can spend a little to 
> get a little and you can spend a lot and get a little too! Be very 
> suspicous of big claims for ANY device. An example of real gains 
can 
> be seen with synthetic oil. It has been documented by independant 
> labs that you CAN get as much as 10 extra HP by converting to 
> synthetic oil. Of course much depends on your individual car but in 
> this case the gains ARE real. Small, but real. Air filters are also 
> another simple bolt-on that has documented gains. Again, small,but 
> measureable. Measureable does not mean you will notice it in 
> driving! For too many owners I can give a tip that costs NOTHING 
but 
> can improve gas mileage, safety, and handling. CHECK YOUR TIRE 
> PRESSURES!
> David Teitelbaum
> vin 10757
> 
> 
> --- In dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "welmoedj" <joe.dalton@> wrote:
> >
> > To avoid lengthy discussions that will result in WILL and WILL 
NOT 
> > battles I reply only one more time.
> > 
> > Recalls are no improvements that can be selected or ignored. They 
> are 
> > a must to assure safety and reliability. No more, no less.
> > 
> > Both of you tend to ignore the fact that there are parts that 
> really 
> > can improve handling, quality and performance even of the engine. 
> > They raise the level of one's pleasure in driving, often at 
little 
> > cost. 
> > Owners that really want their car to outperform other cars need 
to 
> > spend quite a lot of money ($K levels). Those may fall in the 
> > category that buy stage III or go where Martin Gutkowski is 
> heading?
> > This applies to old and new cars alike, young and old(er) owners.
> > E.g. the guys that own pepped Hondas etc.
> > 
> > I am not going for a concours car. However I do not want to put a 
> > muscle car engine in my D either. Somewhere in between is the 
area 
> > that I fit in. Improve my joy in driving the D by doing the 
little 
> > things that help handling and improve its overall performance.
> > 
> > Regarding Bill Robertsons input, I am not alone in this vision.
> > Though I recognize your expertise in regard with the D, it seems 
> to 
> > me you're stuck in the proverbial circle of keeping it stock.
> > So stick to your "religion", but I am not a believer in your 
flock.
> > Your "elderly" word is not taken for granted by me, but each time 
> > weighed for its value and usefulness to achieve my goal.
> > 
> > Welmoed.
> > 
> > 
> > --- In dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty@> 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > My point EXACTLY! Too many times someone will replace old, worn 
> out 
> > > parts with some new "performance" part. They get a big 
> difference 
> > > and give all of the credit to the "performance" part when in 
> fact 
> > > ANY new part would have given the same improvement. This is NOT 
> the 
> > > way to compare stock vs performance parts. In the real world it 
> is 
> > > rare to be able to bolt on a part and get much if any 
> improvement 
> > > over stock. If it was that easy the factory would have done it! 
> > Now, 
> > > with that said there ARE some things that can help. Better air 
> > > filters, synthetic oil, fuel additives, Water Wetter, and the 
> many 
> > > upgrades that fix the known and common Delorean problems 
> including 
> > > the recalls are things that can improve the car. Braided steel 
> > brake 
> > > hoses and clutch lines are a "bolt-on" that can give a lot of 
> > > improvement.
> > > David Teitelbaum
> > > vin 10757
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Marc Levy <malevy_nj@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Not to downplay any "bolt on" performance upgrade, but
> > > > most of these upgrades are done at a point where the
> > > > old NOS parts are worn out anyway.
> > > > 
> > > > Do you know that you would not have gotten the same
> > > > improvement if you had replaced the
> > > > plugs/wires/coil/cap/rotor with new "stock" parts?
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- welmoedj <joe.dalton@> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > Harold,
> > > > > why would you put something in between "old" stuff
> > > > > to get some gain, 
> > > > > when replacing old parts with better performing
> > > > > parts will really 
> > > > > improve? I have replaced coil and cables by Johns
> > > > > 40kV coil and MSD 
> > > > > cables. Result: 2 more kilometers per liter (approx
> > > > > 5 Mi per gallon).
> > > > > 
> > > > > Furthermore my car has more spunk even at lower
> > > > > speeds, but performs 
> > > > > awfully better at higher rpms. I guess a quarter
> > > > > mile now probably 
> > > > > would bring blush on muscle cars now :D
> > > > > 
> > > > > And I have to agree on Johns prices: Nology over
> > > > > here (Europe) costs 
> > > > > some 400 US Dollar! My set from John only 172
> > > > > including shipping.
> > > > > I rest my case.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Welmoed.
> > > > > 
> > > > >
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >        
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
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