Re: Procours D'Coolness (an alternative to Concours)

["Robert Rooney" <DMCVegas@xxxx>]

This is a great idea, but it would have ALOT of bugs that would need 
to be worked out. With a concours competition you need to keep your 
car as original as possible. I would imagine that in judging, debates 
would mainly entail what came from the factory and what didn't. But 
for daily driving, that would be a whole new creature! Rather then 
what options/features has the car kept intact from when it left the 
factory. We would now be making sure that the car has had all of it's 
recalls properly performed. And also comes the area that you 
mentioned of correction of weak-spots, and newer technology. 

In concorse I could see if someone who has a VIN that was produced 
before a specific recall was issued would have points deducted if 
they had that recall performed. That makes sense to me since the goal 
is to keep the car in as close a condition as possible to when it 
first left the factory (tires included).

Daily driving is going to be entirely different. Regardless of VIN, 
all cars would have to have at least a 90 amp alternator installed. 
However, how and why would we base point deductions on 90/105/140 amp 
alternators? I suppose it would probably be based up what the car 
itself has installed resulting in what the power demands are. Though 
I totally agree that neatness of installation would be very important.

Alot of this is going to end up being based upon opinion rather then 
fact. As an example, let's use fanzilla. I don't have the fanzilla 
unit installed, and my fans work fine. But there are some folks who 
belive that the fanzilla module is a must because of how it starts up 
the fans. Point deductions for a fan-fail relay would be fine since 
it was an item that was recalled by the factory. But point deductions 
should not be performed if a person has a fail-fail bypass installed. 
Items such as this will need to be sorted out ahead of time. There 
may be a danger of it turning into a "Who spent the most money on 
their car" then a daily driver competition.

Another item would be customization vs. improvements. I live in the 
desert. It does get cold, but it doesn't snow here. But if may car 
doesn't have a deice shield over the throttle I could understand the 
point deduction since it is required for the car, although my region 
doesn't warrant it. But, by the same token would I get higher points 
for the stainless braided pick-up hose in my gas tank, and my custom 
cloth seats because the region I'm in does warrant them? The extreme 
heat hear causes the hose to collapse and the pump to buzz, so the 
new hose solves that problem. Although someone who is in much cooler 
climates may not require that improvement. Same with my seats. It's 
no fun wearing shorts and then sitting down onto 140°+ leather!
Plus when I take corners in the car I don't slide around. Another 
example of an improvement made on my car which may only apply to 
myself and/or only a few, but is still nessisary.

Don't think I'm knocking the idea though. I'm just giving some 
examples of issues that may arise. I love the idea and would really 
like to help see something like this come about.

-Robert
vin 6585