Re: NCT's in Concours

["Steve Rubano" <srubano@xxxx>]

Hold on here,
The original NCT tires are over 20 years old! I don't know when Good 
Year stopped manufacturing the NCT's but come on now....20 years old. 
Tires have a life expectancy...and these are WAY past the expectancy! 
How do other concourse judges judge other cars when it comes to this? 
Especially cars that are more than 20 years old. I know that when it 
comes to tires, judges usually look to see if they are the closeest 
match to originals. One example would be the Whitewall tires...as 
long as the person didn't replace their tires with a modern black 
wall tire and replaced it with a reproduction whitewall that they 
would qualify. I feel that if the person has the SAME tire size as 
the NCT's and not any larger or smaller should be qulified. I agree 
that if you want concourse cars you should have everything original 
as is or if something needs to be replaced/repaired it should be with 
original NOS parts. Shouldn't there be a change in the guidlines as a 
part becomes unavailable such as the NCT tires?

I for one would not own a concourse car...the Delorean I own won't be 
a daily driver or a concourse car...but a car I can take out every 
weekend for a joy ride...something to enjoy and be proud of to show 
off in public....ESPECIALLY since I am restoring this car from the 
chassis on up!

Everyone has their own opinion on this and this does come up from 
time to time but try to explain to someone who is forced to replace 
their NCT whether from a blow out (again they are 20 years old) or 
dry rot or even from side wall damage that can't be repaired and they 
have a concorse car! I can understand taking points off a car if it 
had any of it's original parts replaced with some aftermarket one. 
One example would be the alternator...after all it can be rebuilt to 
keep it original but tires cannot be rebuilt, maybe rethreaded but 
that would not look good at all.

Steve
VIN #3365


--- In dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxx, "Knut Grimsrud" <knut.s.grimsrud@xxxx> 
wrote:
> James brings up a good question regarding competition judging 
standards.
> There does not seem to be clear guidelines on this, so it's a bit 
open to
> interpretation. The following are my personal views on this 
(probably does
> not reflect others' views).
> 
> There are 4 points for tires in the DMC judging manual. In my view 
a score
> of 4 requires original NCT's in as-new condition (no noticeable 
wear)
> properly cleaned and prepared for show. A score of 0 would be 
warranted for
> non-original tires, with noticeable wear, and not completely 
cleaned for
> show.
> 
> The elements for this item consist of
> 1) Correct tires on car
> 2) Condition of the tires
> 3) Preparation of the tires for show
> 
> My inclination would be to award the 4 points according to these 
three
> categories as 2 points for correct tires, 1 point for wear, and 1 
point for
> preparation. My feelings for this weighting is due to the degree of
> difficulty involved in getting good condition correct tires versus 
the
> difficulty of preparing them, etc. Thus, assuming the tires were all
> prepared properly for show, a worn set of NCT's would rate a score 
of
> approximately 3, while a new set of Yokahamas would rate about 2. 
Note, that
> worn tires are also much more difficult to get to look nice, so 
would be
> more susceptible to deduction for good dressing/preparation. Worn 
NCT's
> might therefore in practice get scores closer to 2.5 even if 
prepared well
> for show.
> 
> These are just my own thoughts on this -- as most folks already 
know, I'm
> pretty picky about finding things to deduct for in these 
competitions
> (otherwise all the cars would end up with the same score). James is 
the
> master at this and I trust his judgement and guidelines on judging
> standards.
> 
> Knut
> 
> 
> 
> __________________________
> 
> From: James Espey <james@xxxx>
> Date: Sat Dec 30, 2000 3:15pm
> Subject: NCT's in Concours
> 
> 
> This brings up an interesting question that I would like to present
> to the past and potential future judges of the Millennium
> Concours...how would you score two DeLoreans in a concours, one with
> worn NCT's, and other with say, new Yokohamas?
> 
> James