[DMCForum] Yet Another Reply To Martin Gutkowski
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[DMCForum] Yet Another Reply To Martin Gutkowski



Replied -- neutrally -- to this message as well, but my reply was
either stonewalled or lost in the ether. Suspect the former because my
reply to Farrar went through, and both Martin replies disappeared.
What are the odds of 2/3 messages being mysteriously, versus
purposefully, lost on the List?

BTW: This is a second typing. Didn't know yesterday that I would need
to cut & paste my messages on two different BBS's to be heard.

BBTW: Does Martin's message not seem a tad vitriolic? Perhaps it's
just my paper thin sensitive emotional skin.

The DMC-12 represents 1970's engineering at its best or worst,
depending on one's perspective. It certainly does not represent 1980's
or later engineering. Nearly every DeLorean owner is "still living in
the 70's." A few have updated to EFI, but I'd wager an even larger
number has jetisoned mechanical fuel injection in favor of
carburetion. If you drive a bone stock DMC-12, you're living in the 70's.

I do object to the argument that carburetion has no redeeming
qualities or that it is a fuel metering catastrophe. NASCAR still uses
it, for goodness sakes. Is carburetion perfect? No. Is it gentle? Yes.
Is it simple? Yes. Is it reliable? Yes. It is low cost? Yes. Can it
provide excellent performance? Yes. Is it low maintenance? Yes. Does
it interfere with other engine maintenance? No. 

More importantly, should every DeLorean owner carburete? No. Should
every DeLorean owner have the right to carburete if he or she wishes
to? Yes (every bit as much right as modifying to EFI). I still wager
that more owners have carbureted than converted to EFI.

I am not "stupid" (Martin's quote, not mine). My carb didn't just fall
onto my PRV. A small amount of custom engineering on my part was
required. I also am not ignorant. I understand K-Jet extremely well. I
successfully ran K-Jet for the first three years of DeLorean ownership
(Eurospec K-Jet no less). My decision to carburete was made with full
knowledge.

It continues to baffle me that modifications much more extreme than
mine do not garner even a peep. A Pontiac Vortec, Ford 302, Chevy 350,
Cadillac 500/Prelude 2.0, Cadillac Northstar, bank of batteries and an
electric motor -- not a sound. One little Autolite 2150 (on an
otherwise bone stock B28F), then wailing & gnashing of teeth. Good grief.

Bill Robertson
#5939

And since Martin listed all his other vehicles:
1981 AMC Spirit
1985 F-150
1988 F-150
1977 Lincoln Mark V (Blue)
1978 Lincoln Mark V (White)
1978 Lincoln Mark V (Silver)
1978 Lincoln Mark V (Primer, to be Blue)
1979 Lincoln Mark V (Blue & White, re-engined with a high compression
460 from a 1969 Suicide Door)
1977 Loadstar School Bus

>--- In dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Martin Gutkowski <martin@...> wrote:
>
> On-the-road cars older than 10 years are RARE full stop here. We're  
> all on the lookout for the old K-Jet V6's and they're like hen's teeth  
> now. Later PRVs are ten a penny. I bought a 3 litre for £47... do you  
> want it? You'd completely stumped by all the funny wiry things all  
> over it and a complete lack of any adjustment screws south of the  
> throttle stop.
> 
> I was replying to your comment about plenty of PRVs out there not  
> running CIS. Pre-EFI PRV cars are VERY rare, saying that "there are  
> plenty" is, as usual, just plain wrong.
> 
> All "modern" PRVs run EFI and have closed loop idle control as part of  
> the main ECU.
> 
> Stop making stupid arguments that benefit no-one. You have fun living  
> in the 70's but there's no reason to inflict that on everyone else...
> 
> FWIW Chris will soon be living in the 90's (grin) with a 3 litre twin  
> turbo EFI PRV
> 
> Martin
> #1484
> #11766
> ex #1458
> ex #4426
> Venturi Atlantique 300
> www.delorean.co.uk
> 




 
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