[DMCForum] Re: Global Warming Swindle
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[DMCForum] Re: Global Warming Swindle

--- In DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "timnagin" <timnagin@...> wrote:
> My intent was not to make it personal; please don't take it that way.

Yeah, sorry about that...  It's just frustrating to be told that you
don't know what you know. :)

> I assumed, maybe improperly, that you were on the side of the other
> because of your recent posts and how you recently stated this movie
we are
> now watching is propaganda.  Did I assume wrong?

Okay, well it's not so simple as that to me.  Both films have their
bits of truth, and their bits of "stretching the truth".  I don't wish
to get into an argument about the two films, or to be forced to defend
Al Gore, but I happen to know that his analysis was more honest than
the other film.

I'm not trying to convince you to believe this, only that I believe it.

> I never said any websites I find that debunk the other movie makes
this one
> more valid. I can find as many sites supporting, or denying, either one.
> That is why I asked previously, which one is correct?  I do not
know, which
> is why I rely on facts and will make up my own mind.  I don't need
> making a movie, from either point of view, making my mind up for me.

Again, it sounds like you're trying to make a decision between the two
based on a public opinion poll...

It's good that you aren't easily swayed, but that doesn't
automatically nullify the viewpoint of either film (as you know).

> The side of humans causing this has been way more publicized than
the other.
> I don't see how anyone can deny that.  It is "in vogue" to be a global
> warming alarmist.  You can't go anywhere, watch anything on TV, read
> anything in the paper, or listen to anything on the radio without people
> screaming "we need to wake up - global warming is real and it's
caused by
> humans!"  SUV's are the poster child of the problem and hybrids of the
> answer.

Heh, I think you're a little behind the times.  Believing in global
warming is *so* 1990's.  :)

I don't get my science news from the mainstream media (I very rarely
watch or read news media anyway), I get it from scientific journals
and from members of the scientific community.  Anyone claiming SUVs
are warming the earth doesn't even have the facts on global warming

In that regard, I actually liked a lot of what the Swindle film said.
 It is sad how much of a religion this has become.  It's poisoning the
science of it.

> No offense intended - I enjoy the intellectual pursuit as we discussed
> previously.  :-)

No sweat.  I think it's becoming difficult to keep this discussion out
of politics, and also, it is getting more and more abstract as we get
away from the initial topics...

Jon Heese

> From: DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Of jonheese
> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 1:29 AM
> To: DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [DMCForum] Re: Global Warming Swindle
> For someone who claims to make decisions on hard facts, you sure do
> seem bent on making this discussion personal.
> I'm not sure why you keep talking about An Inconvenient Truth as
> though it's my movie. I never said anything about it, I never said I
> agreed with its viewpoints, or that it was factually-based or
> infallible. I never quoted it, backed it, or even mentioned that I'd
> seen it.
> Furthermore, no matter how many websites you can find with proof that
> Gore's "facts" were wrong, that doesn't make Durkin's film any less
> bunk. That's the issue here, and I'm not sure why you're diverting
> attention from that.
> And by the way, call me crazy, but unlike the opposing view, I have a
> feeling that the theory of anthropogenic global warming has been
> published in a few peer-reviewed scientific journals. I can cite
> title, issue, and page, if you'd like.
> You'd better believe that both sides of this argument have been
> politicized quite a lot more than this film would have you believe. 
> It has become the new vogue to champion the cause of anti-global
> warming, as it is insanely easy to get a ton of people snowballing
> behind you. It's a huge money-maker for film-makers (duh), public
> speakers, "scientists", and obviously, companies whose primary income
> comes from fossil fuels, like Big Oil.
> Think about it.
> Regards,
> Jon Heese
> --- In DMCForum@yahoogroup <mailto:DMCForum%40yahoogroups.com> s.com,
> "timnagin" <timnagin@> wrote:
> >
> > >I'm only three-quarters of the way through it yet as well, but I've
> > >already counted more glaring inaccuracies and faulty logic than I can
> > >even remember without writing them down...
> > 
> > 
> > We must be about the same place now. I am at the point where the
guy is
> > talking about mosquitoes thriving. I could find glaring
inaccuracies in
> > that other film as well.
> > 
> > 
> > >If you read through the pages I posted links for, you'll see that the
> > >logic used to denounce the viewpoints of the film is not based on the
> > >mindset of the people doing the arguing. It shows that some of the
> > >tactics used by the film were dirty tricks, not facts.
> > 
> > 
> > I am sure this didn't happen in the other film, right? :-)
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > >At least a few of the "scientists" interviewed are not experts in
> the field
> > they are
> > >discussing, or have opinions and theories that are presented as
> > >fact, when they have not been published or peer-reviewed.
> > 
> > 
> > I am sure this didn't happen in the other film, right? :-)
> > 
> > 
> > >Yeah, it is more and more difficult for the layperson to get real,
> > >true, unmolested data and analysis on this topic. Both sides have
> > >been politicized and the waters have been muddied to the point where
> > >it's easy not to know which side to trust.
> > 
> > 
> > Yet, some people scream the earth is about to end after watching
> that movie.
> > The side of the world ending has been way more politicized than the
> other.
> > 
> > 
> > >I don't have an answer for you. You just have to do your due
> > >diligence and research what's being published.
> > 
> > 
> > Which is what I have already stated. So, given that, why adhere to one
> > mindset over another? I prefer facts and verifiable proof. One
> thing in
> > this video that really stood out to me was how we now use satellites
> to see
> > what is going on right now. We live in a world of "I want it
> yesterday" and
> > very little patience. Sure, we can see the ice caps melting and
> such but
> > that doesn't mean it hasn't happened for millennia and there is a
> crisis.
> > The earth has been here for billions or years and gone through many
> climate
> > changes on its own and survived.
> > 
> > 
> > >>>Think, research, think some more, then believe.
> > >> 
> > >> Believe what?
> > >
> > >Whatever you determine is right.
> > >
> > >Would "decide" have been a better word?
> > 
> > 
> > I would go with "decide based on actual, real, hard facts, not
> feelings or
> > belief." :-)
> > 
> > Greg
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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