RE: [DMCForum] Re: Global Warming Swindle

["timnagin" <timnagin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Oh, and I am sure I can find numerous websites that denounce everything in
Inconvenient Truth as well.

 

Greg

 

 

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Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 12:31 AM
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Subject: RE: [DMCForum] Re: Global Warming Swindle

 

I haven't finished watching it yet. Might those people who denounce it be
of the mindset we are in a crisis? :-) Maybe they should have used a
really slick, well-known public servant so it would have been believed
without checking the facts.

"The funny thing is that this film can be shown to have done almost all of
the things it claims its opponents did to skew the data in the their favor,
plus a few more..."

Given this, which is why I stated previously I will not blatantly believe
either side, which side is correct? Why would anyone adhere to one side or
the other without trying to find all of the facts? I have said it so many
times now it has almost lost all meaning to me, but information is so easy
to find now, why don't more people do it?

>Think, research, think some more, then believe.

Believe what?

Greg

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From: DMCForum@yahoogroup <mailto:DMCForum%40yahoogroups.com> s.com
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Of jonheese
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 12:13 AM
To: DMCForum@yahoogroup <mailto:DMCForum%40yahoogroups.com> s.com
Subject: [DMCForum] Re: Global Warming Swindle

Ah yes, I remember this program now... I just started watching it and
I immediately recognized the propaganda from a report I read earlier
this year on it.

It is FULL of scientific holes, falsehoods and misrepresentations. 
See here for a full treatment of the subject:

http://en.wikipedia
<http://en.wikipedia
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Great_Global_Warming_Swindle>
.org/wiki/The_Great_Global_Warming_Swindle>
.org/wiki/The_Great_Global_Warming_Swindle

Make sure you check out the sections "Reactions from scientists",
"Carl Wunsch Controversy" (where the MIT professor interviews in the
film claims to have been misled and taken out of context to make it
sound like he said the opposite of what he actually said), and
"Contributors to the programme", (where you can see that Tim Ball,
that ass-clown, is NOT a professor of ANYTHING at ANY university, as
he claimed in the film).

The film does have its bits of truth, but it was really badly
put-together, as anyone with a climate science background could
plainly see.

Here's a quick play-by-play of all the holes and controversy:
http://www.desmogbl
<http://www.desmogbl
<http://www.desmogblog.com/a-global-warming-swindle-play-by-play>
og.com/a-global-warming-swindle-play-by-play>
og.com/a-global-warming-swindle-play-by-play

Here's another well-written analysis:
http://climatedenia
<http://climatedenia
<http://climatedenial.org/2007/05/01/why-was-the-great-global-warming-swindl
> l.org/2007/05/01/why-was-the-great-global-warming-swindl
e-so-persuasive/>
l.org/2007/05/01/why-was-the-great-global-warming-swindle-so-persuasive/

The funny thing is that this film can be shown to have done almost all
of the things it claims its opponents did to skew the data in the
their favor, plus a few more...

Think, research, think some more, then believe.

Regards,
Jon Heese

--- In DMCForum@yahoogroup <mailto:DMCForum%40yahoogroups.com> s.com,
"jonheese" <jonheese@...> wrote:
>
> For anyone interested in this program, it can be downloaded here:
> 
> http://jonheese.
<http://jonheese.
<http://jonheese.com/video/The.Great.Global.Warming.Swindle.avi>
com/video/The.Great.Global.Warming.Swindle.avi>
com/video/The.Great.Global.Warming.Swindle.avi (~698MB)
> 
> Regards,
> Jon Heese
> 
> --- In DMCForum@yahoogroup <mailto:DMCForum%40yahoogroups.com> s.com,
"jonheese" <jonheese@> wrote:
> >
> > Cool concept, I'd really like to see that. I'm, *ahem*, obtaining the
> > movie right now, and I'll post a link to it when I get it.
> > 
> > The comments on that site about incoming comments being 6 to 1 in
> > favor of its viewpoints are hardly surprising. No one really likes
> > change, and in the midst of all the global warming nutcases screaming
> > about CO2 and the greenhouse effect, it's no wonder people get all
> > excited and encouraging when a scientific-looking source tells them
> > that their cars are not killing the planet.
> > 
> > It's never been a mystery or a secret (not to me, at least) that
> > man-made greenhouse gases are in the minority when compared to the
> > naturally-occurring variety. The more compelling fact is the rate of
> > change from these sources.
> > 
> > Volcanoes aren't spewing any more CO2 than they did 10,000 years ago,
> > but there are a good amount more people and animals (think: livestock)
> > exhaling, farting and burning hydrocarbons. The science behind the
> > global greenhouse effect is solid. Whether or not it is the reason
> > for the recent global warming trend, I don't know for sure.
> > 
> > What I do know is that I will not stick my head in the sand and
> > pretend that everything is okay. At least not until I am convinced by
> > scientific research that we are fine the way we're going.
> > 
> > Regards,
> > Jon Heese
> > 
> > --- In DMCForum@yahoogroup <mailto:DMCForum%40yahoogroups.com> s.com,
Martin Gutkowski <martin@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Early this year I had my entire viewpoint changed by a single TV
show 
> > > shown on Channel 4 here in the UK. I'm not someone who is easily
> swayed 
> > > on something I thought I knew about - but in the space of 90
> minutes, I 
> > > felt like I'd had my eyes opened.
> > > 
> > > I seriously suggest you guys buy the DVD when it comes out, or
> *cough* 
> > > maybe see if there're any torrents out there.
> > > 
> > > http://www.greatglo <http://www.greatglo
<http://www.greatglobalwarmingswindle.co.uk/> balwarmingswindle.co.uk/>
balwarmingswindle.co.uk/
> > > 
> > > In my own nutshell, it points out really clearly that CO2 is NOT a 
> > > pollutant, nor does increasing levels of CO2 cause an increase in
> > global 
> > > temperatures; it's *the other way around*
> > > 
> > > My favourite stat they showed was a very simple pie-chart
showing the 
> > > proportions of CO2 emitted by animals (you, me, the cat next
> door), the 
> > > burning of fossil fuels and VOLCANOES. Did you know that volcanoes
> are 
> > > responsible for over a quarter of co2 emissions vs less than 10%
for 
> > > fossil fuel burning?
> > > 
> > > Anyway, having watched the program makes for some very interesting
> > debates!
> > > 
> > > Martin





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