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Re: [DMCForum] Test email

How does it know whether it's perpendicular to the ground?

Jon Heese

Ross Apperson wrote:
> I don't know what to tell you. The accelorameter only
> works when the phone is perpendictular to the ground,
> like Jack said. I'm not totally sure how it works, but
> I can tell you what the results are.
> --- Jon Heese <dmcforum@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> Jack Stiefel wrote:
>>> Ok imagine you're laying in bed and are looking at
>> a web page on
>>> portrait mode.  Now you want landscape, just tilt
>> the phone
>>> perpendicular to the Earth and spin it.  It will
>> transition to
>>> landscape.  Now lean it back and enjoy the new
>> view.  It is easier
>>> than it sounds.
>> Right.  Sounds obnoxious.  That was my original
>> point.
>>> Spinning it on a table does nothing as the unit is
>> flat to the Earth.
>> Flat to the earth, yes.  But the phone doesn't
>> detect "earth", it 
>> detects force, and spinning it around the z-axis
>> will generate force 
>> along both the y- and the x- axis in both
>> directions, out from the center.
>>> I'm at Disney with the kids and my mind hurts LOL,
>> forgive me.
>> My condolences.  :)
>> Regards,
>> Jon Heese
>>> Jack Stiefel Stiefel Aluminum
>>> On Jul 2, 2007, at 6:47 PM, "Jon Heese"
>> <dmcforum@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> wrote:
>>> Jack Stiefel wrote:
>>>> Apple has licensed exchange. Its already an
>> option when setting up 
>>>> email, just not push yet. That's whats due out
>> very soon from what 
>>>> I've been told.
>>> Interesting. That's news to me, but good for them.
>>>> I've used mine laying down in bed. What happens
>> is it stays in 
>>>> portrait until you tilt it round and make it
>> straight, then it 
>>>> changes and as long as toy don't turn I'd back
>> straight and lean it
>>>>  back straight it won't change... God I sound
>> stupid, but you get
>>>> the gist. Also spinning it on a table does
>> nothing as the unit is
>>>> laying down not perpendicular to the ground...
>> Does any of this
>>>> make sense?
>>> Kind of, but either you missed the point of what I
>> was saying and I'm
>>>  not getting your response..
>>> It must use a sensor that "feels" gravity in the
>> x- and y-axes of the
>>>  phone. When you turn it like a PSP, it "feels"
>> gravity pulling along
>>>  the short axis, and turns the orientation.
>> Likewise, when you turn
>>> it up like a phone, it "feels" gravity pulling
>> along the long axis
>>> and turns the orientation appropriately. My
>> question is: What if
>>> gravity is pulling along the z-axis, i.e. you're
>> laying the phone
>>> flat on like a table, or over your head pointed
>> down at you?
>>> It sounds like you're saying it just keeps the
>> last known
>>> orientation. If so, that's exactly why I think
>> it's a flawed feature.
>>> Good to impress co-workers, but of limited use if
>> you tend to hold
>>> your cell phone flat when looking at it (as I do).
>>> My idea of spinning it flat on a table was to get
>> the accelerometers
>>>  that are designed to "feel" gravity to go wacky
>> and freak out the 
>>> programming that determines which way gravity is
>> pulling. I suppose 
>>> that spinning it like that would fire the sensors
>> for both the x- and
>>>  y-axes, and I suppose they would tell it to do
>> nothing when that
>>> happens.
>>> Regards, Jon Heese
>>>> Jack Stiefel Stiefel Aluminum
>>>> On Jul 2, 2007, at 5:55 PM, "Jon Heese"
>> <dmcforum@xxxxxxxxxxxx> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> The one thing I thought was sort of a gimmicky
>> feature, from the 
>>>> commercial was the tilt sensor that changes the
>> orientation of the
>>>>  screen when you turn it from landscape to
>> portrait and vice
>>>> versa...
>>>> What if you have it laying flat on its back?
>> Which way does it
>>>> orient itself? It can't possibly know which way
>> I'm looking at it,
>>>> can it?
>>>> Then I started wondering what it would do if you
>> spin it like a top
>>>>  on its back, like on a smooth table or
>> something?... Will the tilt
>>>>  sensor go crazy? I'd like to see that.
>>>> On the topic of the Exchange Direct Push stuff:
>> Are there plans to
>>>>  support this eventually? As far as I know, this
>> is not open 
>>>> technology, and I would be surprised if Microsoft
>> would license the
>>>>  API to Apple so they can use it to try and take
>> the PDA tech
>>>> market away from them.
>>>> Regards, Jon Heese
>>>> Jack Stiefel wrote:
>>>>> So far I have been very impressed. The only
>> thing I really want
>>>>> is the exchange push and sync. I have had every
>> PDA Verizon and
>>>>> at&t sell and have had lackluster results until
>> now. The ipod
>>>>> part is great as is the visual voicemail and the
>> use of the
>>>>> finger for resizing web sites and pictures. It
>> is cool to just
>>>>> choose a message and hear it, no logging in or
>> listening to
>>>>> prerecorded voice prompts. I also enjoy full
>> HTML email support
>>>>> and while the exchange sync is not there YET,
>> yahoo emails push
>>>>> in just fine.
>>>>> The camera takes very good pics, I'm very
>> impressed.
>>>>> The phone reacts just like on the ads, no trick
>> photography
>>>>> there.
>>>>> I've been reading tons of posts and there are
>> some updates coming
>>>>>  down the pike that will make this more of a
>> business phone.
>>>>> Jack Stiefel Stiefel Aluminum
>>>>> On Jul 2, 2007, at 5:04 PM, "Dave Stragand" 
>>>>> <dave.stragand@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>> No problem. I, like everyone else, have heard a
>> LOT of hype about
>>>>>  those. Is it true they allow you to place calls
>> to the dead? And
>>>>> is there really a built-in AED unit? =)))
>>>>> Want to tell us all your first impressions?
>>>>> -Dave
>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>> From: DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>>>>> On Behalf Of Jack Stiefel Sent: Monday, July 02,
>> 2007 4:54 PM To:
>>>>>  DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re:
>> [DMCForum] Test email
>>>>> I didst even notice that. Sorry that's removed
>> now
>>>>> Jack Stiefel Stiefel Aluminum
>>>>> On Jul 2, 2007, at 4:21 PM, "Dave Stragand" 
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