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No Chuck you were short sweet and to the point.  Which ever decision you make be it either a day to celebrate Christs birth, one of obscene amount of gift giving, one of just a day off to spend with your family, or to celebrate other religious holidays (Cha,Quans, etc.)m have a good one.

I think that's why it is being coined Happpy Holidays as there are several different holidays being honored.

Have a good Holiday, eat too much, bring doggy bags, go to church if you do, stay home and watch It's A Wonderful Life and A Christmas Story if you don't, and last but definitely not least God Bless you and yours.

Jack Stiefel - Tampa, FL
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-----Original Message-----
From: Chuck McKnight <gullwingdoors@xxxxxxxxx>
Sent: 5 Dec 2005 21:13:53 -0000
Subject: Re: [DMCForum] Mistletoe belt buckles, naked chicks and hummers...

Christmas is DEFINATELY a religious holiday.  Unfortunately, in todays world it is becoming less and less of one.  I hate the whole movement going on to take Christ out of Christmas, and replace it with "happy holidays".  Technically the date is wrong, yes, but Christmas is still a celebration of Christ's birth, and that's the way it should stay.
  Thanksgiving, believe it or not, is also a religious holliday.  It was started as a day to give thanks to God for what he has done, and how great he is.  It too, however, has been corrupted until it is nothing more than a day off school and lots of turkey.  (I'm all for those too, but Americans would do well to remember it's true origin.)
  Ok, I'm done.  Sorry if this is too much religios talk for this forum, but I had to jump in and add my say.

Jon Heese <dmcforum@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
  Wow.  I strongly disagree, Ryan.  I'm actually at a loss for where to
begin responding to this...  I'm floored that someone actually believes

Growing up, I always celebrated Christmas, and I probably always will,
even if the religious aspect fades into the background.  But I've been
friends with Jews, Muslims and Jehovah's Witnesses whose feelings range
from disinterest to anger at the way society pushes the holiday on
everyone, regardless of faith.

I hope you're not saying you don't realize that.

Beyond my firsthand knowledge that there are people who don't
like/celebrate Christmas, while the religious aspect of the holiday is
not usually the focus, Christmas is a steadfastly Christian tradition,
and as such, will never be a "national" holiday.

Thanksgiving commemorates a significant time in the history of the
nation and has no direct ties to any religion; it doesn't single anyone
out.  Likewise, New Years is celebrated by people of almost all faiths
(even if the date of the first day of the year is sometimes seen
differently; since the world pretty much uses the same calendar, it's
certainly not exclusive to one religion).  Christmas only exists because
of the Chrisitan tradition, and is very specific to Christianity.

Now, I do see your point that wishing someone a Merry Christmas is
hardly starting a religious discssion, but I also see Mar's point of
making it clear that Christmas is far from a universal holiday.  I think
that needs to be recognized.

Jon Heese

Ryan Wright wrote:
> On 12/5/05, Marc Levy <malevy_nj@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>How do you know Dave celebrates Christmas?
>>I thought there was no religion allowed in here
> Don't start, Marc. That was not a religious conversation.
> Christmas is a national holiday. Wishing somebody a Merry Christmas is
> no different than wishing a Happy Thanksgiving, Happy New Year, etc.
> It's a polite gesture that says, "Enjoy the upcoming holiday." Whether
> that person celebrates it doesn't matter, December 25th is Christmas
> and I hope everyone, religious or not, has a wonderful time.
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