Re: [DMCForum] Re: All people of faith are dumb, and so am I apparently.

["Eric Itzel" <ericsdmcmail@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Isn't Jupiter a gas giant? :)

Eric

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From: "Flavia" <frvianna@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2005 4:55 PM
Subject: [DMCForum] Re: All people of faith are dumb, and so am I
apparently.


> See below:
>
> --- In DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "cruznmd" <racuti1@xxxx> wrote:
> > Is that what you call it Marc, a "difference of opinion"?
> >
> > I've just been called "dumb" by a young girl whose life experience
> > is probably limited to mid-west America and New Jersey who's never
> > even met me just because I have faith.
>
> I didn't say dumb, I said not so smart and that is what I
> experienced, I wasn't saying anyone in specific, I was talking about
> my classmates from my narrow minded catholic school, which I
> graduated from 10 years ago. And since then very smart religious
> people didn't cross my path yet. Doesn't mean they don't exist, I
> just never got to know them. Turns out that everyone who starts
> preaching to me I say: I am sorry but I'd rather not talk about
> religion bc I am not a follower. And then I see the _expression_ of
> shock on their face, followed by: Jesus loves you anyways. Then I
> excuse myself and leave.
>
> >
> > I don't sign my posts with "Jesus is Lord", I don't proselytize and
> > I support your right to decide not to follow a faith and I sure as
> > hell don't make fun of people who make that decision or make
> blanket
> > statements regarding athiests/agnostics or whatever.
>
> Good, if you don't say Jesus is lord to me or anyone else who doesn't
> believe that is great. I don't believe in god, so I don't talk about
> it, I don't try to convince religious people (basically I only know
> catholics) that they are wrong. I jsut say to them that I don't
> believe and I don't want to hear bible stories.
>
> >
> > To me, that wasn't a difference of opinon. It was a slap in the
> > face. It's exactly the same as being lumped into the same catagory
> > as "rednecks" and "hon's" and caucasian modular-home refuse by Mike
> > Pack simply because I sometimes attend parking-lot cruise-in's.
> He's
> > met me twice for 5 minutes. We don't have "civil discourse" here.
> > It's venomous and denigrating. I try to keep my mouth shut but I'm
> > torn between wanting to rise above it, and outrage at being
> > indirectly insulted and slandered by many posts that pop up here.
> > Sometimes I feel like I have to defend myself even though I haven't
> > been directly named.
>
> You shouldn't keep your mouth shut if you are being offended, but as
> you stated, I didn't mention any names or anyone in specific, I was
> talking about a fact, which is my personal experience. No one can say
> I am wrong bc there is no right or wrong that is how catholics acted
> in front of me.
>
> >
> > It's so much safer to make insulting and stereotyping statements
> > than to call someone by name isn't it? You people might as well
> just
> > say "Rich is dumb white-trash because he goes to cruise-ins and
> uses
> > religion as a mental crutch because he believes in a God, and he
> > doesn't have a college degree."
> >
> > Personally, I don't feel that 10% mutual interest in something as
> > trivial as a car is enough to overcome the other 90% contempt
> > someone has for me because of my personal views. Why would I want
> to
> > associate myself with such people?
>
> Believe me I know what stereotype is and we are surrounded by it, I
> don't think that is enough of a reason for you not to share your
> passion for DeLoreans just because we don't share the same religious
> thoughts. The whole point of this list, which is a place to discuss,
> is to learn from each other, share experiences. If everyone here had
> the same backgrounds and thought the same way, it would be boring and
> we'd have 3 messages to read per month, instead of hundreds. Here,
> there is no age, ethinicity or faith that stops anyone from having a
> DeLorean, from being crazy about BTTF or from spending time with
> others that share common passions. I think it's great that you think
> different from me, and I respect that. Plus, I don't think anyone
> from this list who met me, would acuse me of such things that you
> said about me.
> >
> > As far as institutes of "higher education" enlightening people to
> > the fact that there is no god, I think what Flavia was trying to
> > convey, is that often religion is used as a mental crutch by -some-
> > weak minded people who need someone to tell them what to do with
> > their lives. I agree, BUT I contend that a college education does
> > not eliminate this character flaw. ANY organization could fill that
> > void in a weak person's life, including belonging to a protest
> group
> > at a college. What if I said that Flavia was weak-minded and needed
> > to get her self-fulfillment by belonging to a group of bigoted
> > people who trash people of faith? I doubt she'd enjoy being stereo-
> > typed by me very much that way.
> Yes, I got my message across, I think religion dictates your beliefs
> and some people get really screwed being brain washed and giving
> churches a lot of money for them to spend on I have no idea what. But
> that is how I perceive, and can you imagine if I were still catholic
> and I heard about all those priests that molest little boys? THAT is
> a slap on the face! Plus, my criticism is about the church as an
> institution. If you believe in god and keep it to yourself in your
> prayers, I think that is more noble than following that church that
> is ran by ordinary human beings like ourselves, but to me. I think
> that we are too small in the universe to have this creature, God that
> created us. I work at a planetarium part time and I know how stars
> are born, how big the sun is (which is not that big compared to other
> stars) and all that stuff, that made me even more sure that science
> is my "religion" because things can be proved. I don't like to rely
> on something that I don't see and I have to have faith on but it will
> never be proven that god exists. this could go on and on, I'll stop
> here!
>
> >
> > I'm almost 34 years old and I have visited at least 10 foreign
> > nations, I have served in a combat zone, I have stood on the polar
> > ice pack at the North Pole conducting science experiments covered
> by
> > National Geographic, and I have -life experience-. I'm so sick of
> > large groups of late-teen and early 20-something's who've barely
> > been out of their hometowns screaming that they know what's best
> for
> > me just because they watch CNN and because they are attending an
> > institute of "higher learning".
> >
> > That's why I'm done with the social functions.
> >
> > Rich A.
> > #5335
>
> Last, but not least I don't understand why you are letting everyone
> know what you've done in your life. So you are almost 34 yo, I am
> almost 28 years old. Making you only about 6 years older than I am.
> So you have THAT much more experience than I do? That is what I don't
> get, you are assuming I had never left NJ, to start with, this is one
> of the most diverse states in the country and the highest (or one of,
> correct if I am wrong) population density in the country. But I've
> lived in 3 different states, been to probably 40 states, lived in 3
> different countries and visited (guess how many!!!) 10 countries. I
> have friends all over the world, I was catholic and I worked at
> Andersen when Enron collapsed. Based on those I think I have a pretty
> good sense of what the world is like. No matter how much I've studied
> or experience still doesn't give me the authority or the right to say
> that religious people are wrong or that they are all stupid, and I
> never said those, again, I said I've only met "not so smart"
> catholics and all the non-religious people I met are smart.
> But honestly, if you can fix cars as Josh mentioned and you've
> experienced what you said you did, you are not dumb, you know that
> and whatever people say will never make you doubt about your own
> intelligence. I guess that another thing I learned in life is to
> always be confident and I am. Therefore I am not hurt or felt like
> you slapped my face with your comments.
> Hope to actually meet you someday and prove that I am normal human
> being who doesn't believe in god, and that doesn't interfere my
> ability to be sociable and make friends.
>
> wow, that was long :)
>
> I just need to say that I really care for the DeLorean community and
> I am extremely glad for getting involved and meeting a number of
> amazing people who became very good friends and a future husband.
>
> Flavia from the 5th rock from the sun!LOL
> >
> > --- In DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Marc Levy <malevy_nj@xxxx> wrote:
> > > With people who have different opinions on various
> > > topics of discussion?
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