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Eh..I'm doing it for a few reasons...

I'm working on a "no-sh$t" cost/risk vs. gain analysis right now.

I'm pricing high output solar panels and various types of batteries,
from lead acid to NiCad, NiMh and Li-Ion with Lithium Ion being the
most expensive but weighing the least and having the greatest
capacity.

Needless to say, I've found a very active EV car newsgroup that is
already providing info on parts support and ideas.

I'll try to provide a white-paper report soon on what it costs me to
operate the DMC-12 vs. the little EV I'm looking at and how soon
I'll recoup my investment.

Rich A.
#5335

--- In DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "twinenginedmc12"
<twinenginedmc12@xxxx> wrote:
> Hello.
>
> It sounds ambitious.  If you're actually doing it to save money,
it
> might end up being a stretch.  On the other hand, you might figure
> out a cost-effective way of doing it which would surely generate
> widespread attention.  It sure will have a high "coolness factor"
> though, not matter what.  "This sucker's electrical"... Doc Brown,
> BTTF.  (Please forgive me if I misquoted him).
>
> Rick.
>
> --- In DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "cruznmd" <racuti1@xxxx> wrote:
> > Hey Rick,
> >
> > Basically, I'm just investigating different options to get me to
> the
> > Metro every day. Bio-diesel? Hybrid? Pure electric?
> >
> > Everyone presents valid concerns, ie the "energy chain" extra
cost
> of
> > household electricity to charge the hybrid, + fuel etc...
> >
> > I have a 28-ish mile round trip commute. I have spoken with Dave
> > Delman. We're having interesting conversations regarding the
cost
> of
> > KW hours vs. the current price of gasoline which is just going
up,
> > up, up. I also happen to think that the price of electricty
depends
> > on who your utility company is, and what they use to provide
> > electricity. A nuclear or hydro powerplant has little increased
> costs
> > as petroleum costs rise. A coal-fired plant experiences some
> > increased costs because as I've observed here, diesel loco's
haul
> the
> > coal to the plant and there is the cost of diesel to consider.
> Either
> > way, the cost of an electric charge is not going to outpace the
> cost
> > of gasoline or diesel. Already too many people are fighting over
> > diesels for the bio conversion. People are paying quite a bit of
> > money for junker diesels on Ebay. You can also blunt the cost of
> > charging your vehicle with home solar systems. Charge a bank of
> > batteries in your basement with solar panels on your roof and/or
a
> > small wind-mill, then plug the car into that. It'll then cost
less
> > grid-provided juice to charge the car. Even building only one EV
> for
> > me or my wife will reduce our bill significantly. I'm looking at
a
> > 400-500$ savings annually at current prices without the home
> > solar/wind systems.
> >
> > I found an EV trading website with a converted Bradley GT II.
$5k
> and
> > boy is it pretty! I'm also looking at a little EV utility van.
I'm
> > considering aiding the charging by putting a huge solar panel on
> it's
> > large roof to at least trickle charge it for the 10 hours a day
> that
> > it'll be sitting at the Metro parking lot.
> >
> > This is all fast and loose. Nothing hard or on paper yet. And
> > (sigh)...yes, I would like to pollute less. I'm no tree-hugger
but
> > when a foreigner complains about what a wasteful bunch we are
and
> can
> > tell him to shut his pie-hole. Like Vixen Dave says, RRR. I'll
fix
> up
> > a used EV perhaps..
> >
> > Rich
> >
> > --- In DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "twinenginedmc12"
> > <twinenginedmc12@xxxx> wrote:
> > > Hi Rich.
> > >
> > > I know I'm not Dave, but I do have some experience with this. 
> It's
> > not
> > > too complicated, but it will be a little expensive but you
> probably
> > > already know that.  You'll probably end up putting them in
series
> > to
> > > minimize losses, and have each battery monitored with little
> sense
> > > lines that connect to a charge controller ($$).  This is a
common
> > way
> > > of doing it with NiCd batteries.  I suspect that Li Ion
batteries
> > are
> > > done similarly. 
> > >
> > > I can't wait to see what cool thing you're making.  I hope you
> > don't
> > > let anybody talk you out of it, and try not to electrocute
> yourself.
> > >
> > > Rick Gendreau
> > >
> > >  --- In DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "cruznmd" <racuti1@xxxx>
wrote:
> > > > Dave,
> > > >
> > > > I recently read about hybrid hot-rodders who are installing
> small
> > > > stacks of Li-ion batteries in their hybrids for extended
> mileage-
> > > > anywhere from 80 to 250. They plug 'em in at home to charge
> them
> > each
> > > > day. When the spare batteries drain, the normal hybrid
action
> > kicks
> > > in
> > > > and mileage drops to the car's advertised rating.
> > > >
> > > > Do you think you could figure out how to wire these
batteries
> in
> > if
> > > > someone asked you to?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Rich A.
> > > > #5335




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