Re: [DMCForum] Re: Time for a new political discussion...(My last word)

[Eric Itzel <eric@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Wow. This Forum is on fire, and the topic is less than 24 hours old!
Cool!
 
However, I'm lost. What is the core topic of discussion? Bush? Celsius
9/11? Republicans v Democrats? Ashcroft and Bush's cabinet selection?
Clinton/Gore v Bush? Cats v Dogs?
 
Everyone who is playing must realize that this is just banter and
bitchery- no one ever wins these debates. It's just good sport for
conversationalists.
 
In other news, tommorrow I'm going to tune my engine up for the first
time since I've owned the car. New Nology ignition, remove/replace
intake, new vacuum lines, and new O2 sensor. Wish me luck!
 
Eric Itzel
vin 4433

----- Original Message ----- 
From: cruznmd <mailto:racuti1@xxxxxxxxxxxx>  
To: DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>  
Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2004 12:01 AM
Subject: [DMCForum] Re: Time for a new political discussion...(My last
word)


I'm making a documentary. It's tentatively going to be titled "Marc 
Levy is in Love With Michael Moore".

Oops, sorry. I forgot to disengage my internal monologe.

First, whether any of F9/11 is true or not is irrelevant. Moore is 
not the one to tell the tale. You'll never convince me that anyone 
who takes advantage of a national tragedy to spew his personal bile, 
and line his pockets has my, or our nation's best interests at heart. 
Someone here rightfully pointed out that "Common Sense" wasn't 
written to turn a buck, it was written to make men think. Thomas 
Paine also probably didn't just shit on everyone who disagreed with 
him.

Second, I won't debate whether the Clinton admin. knew, cared, or 
tried to prevent the 9/11 plan. It's irrelevant. As you pointed out 
Marc, they "tried and failed" several times to catch Bin Laden, to 
kill Bin Laden blah, blah, blah. The attack would have happened 
regardless of who won the election. The wheels were in motion. Many 
past administrations are to blame, both parties. There was/is no 
comprehensive plan to deal with people like this in our midst.

People who play the "blame game", tieing up our tax dollars and air 
waves with endless "9/11" commitees just to point a finger and claim 
righteousness instead of moving forward and thinking AHEAD of 
terrorists for once make my stomach churn.

I didn't want to play this card but I'd like to say that I have met 
Dubya in person. I've exchanged handshakes with him. I've spoken 
briefly with him. What was said, is between him and me but I trust 
his destination, if not all the routes he's chosen. Maybe you think 
he's dumb. Maybe you hate his policies. Maybe you hate him, but I'll 
say this: Rather than sit around wringing his hands after 9/11 and 
forming endless commitees debating how to best save our asses 
without -offending- anyone, he took thoughtful, decisive action. He 
definitely makes the wrong decisions sometimes, but at least he 
friggin' makes them. Inaction is the worst action. I'd also like to 
take a moment to point out that his policies earned me a six month 
stay in the sunny United Arab Emirates with the Naval Reserve. I was 
in a combat zone and I was on 27' patrol boats so old and battered 
that I wanted to shoot the engines to put them out of their misery. 
We totally removed the thermostats to keep them from overheating. The 
ammo belt links would rust so bad that I'm certain my M-2 would have 
jammed after the first 3 shots. I was under-trained, poorly equipped 
and mad as hell about it. We made "McHale's Navy" look REAL. If 
ANYONE has a right to be pissed at him, my family and I do. Even 
after all that, I'm not angry and I do understand the larger plan and 
I agree with most of it. I -dont'- agree with all of how we are 
carrying it out. My views on that are not for public consumption.

Not all people are carved for all circumstances. Bill Clinton's 8 
years in office were a fuggin' drunken frat party compared to what 
Bush is dealing with. It's certainly easy for Clinton/Gore to arm-
chair quarterback him. I feel Bush and the cabinet he chose are the 
best people for the current war-time environment (and make no 
mistake, we are at war and I'm not talking about Iraq) Gore and 
Liberman would probably have been better suited for peace, had we 
somehow avoided 9/11.

I'm ditching this thread because it is anything -but- "civil 
discourse". It has degenerated into the usual "I'm a college-educated 
leftist, so my opinion carries more weight than yours, and I know 
what's best for you, not you."

Lastly, before any of you accuse me of being a die-hard 
Republican "fluffer-girl", I VOTED FOR AL GORE IN THE LAST ELECTION.
I vote my concience, not my party. I'd vote for an independent if I 
thought he was the man for the job.

Cheers,

Rich

--- In DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Eric Itzel <eric@xxxx> wrote:
> Historically Republics collapse into an empire. One person 
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> his way to total power.
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> Kind've scary, huh?
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> Eric
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> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Marc Levy <mailto:malevy_nj@xxxx>  
> To: DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>  
> Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 6:47 PM
> Subject: Re: [DMCForum] Re: Time for a new political discussion...
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> And what do you suggest?
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