RE: [DMCForum] Re: Angle Torque... what the hell?

["Travis Goodwin" <tgoodwin@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

It seems that the angle torque applies only when you re-torque them.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: cruznmd [mailto:racuti1@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 5:21 PM
> To: DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [DMCForum] Re: Angle Torque... what the hell?
> 
> I had the same initial confusion as you. I didn't "calculate"
> anything. I called DMC and Warrensayz (my favorite word) torque 'em to
> 65 ft/lbs. Martin says 90 ft/lbs. I split the difference and went to
> 80. :-P
> 
> --- In DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Travis Goodwin <tgoodwin@xxxx> wrote:
> > I should clarify my last question... Has anyone applied the angle
> torque to
> > their head bolts?
> >
> > Rich, how about you?
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Travis Goodwin [mailto:tgoodwin@xxxx]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 2:01 PM
> > > To: 'DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx'
> > > Subject: RE: [DMCForum] Angle Torque... what the hell?
> > >
> > > Why not just recalculate as a torque setting since it's still a
> rotational
> > > force? Has anyone actually done this as the manual suggests?
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: timnagin [mailto:timnagin@xxxx]
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 11:37 AM
> > > > To: DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > Subject: RE: [DMCForum] Angle Torque... what the hell?
> > > >
> > > > This had me curious as well, so I found a few different
> explanations...
> > > >
> > > > "This method, also known as turn of the nut method, was
> introduced for
> > > > manual assembly shortly after the second World War when a certain
> > > > tightening
> > > > angle was specified. The method has been applied for use with
power
> > > > wrenches, the bolt being tightened to a predetermined angle
> beyond the
> > > > elastic range and results in a small variation in the preload
> due, in
> > > > part,
> > > > to the yield stress tolerance. The main disadvantages of this
> method lie
> > > > in
> > > > the necessity for precise, and, if possible, experimental
> determination
> > > of
> > > > the angle; also the fastener can only sustain a limited number of
> > > > re-applications before it fails."
> > > >
> > > > http://www.boltscience.com/pages/tighten.htm
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Sometimes when using old head bolts, and when using metal to
> aluminum
> > > > composite heads, etc., automotive manuals call for torque angle.
> This
> > > > simply
> > > > means that after correctly torquing the head bolts to 85 ft.
> lbs. (in
> > > your
> > > > case), turn the bolt another one eighth of a turn, as in 360
degrees
> > > would
> > > > be a complete circle.
> > > >
> > > > With today's more precise engineering practices, measurements in
> > > > automotive
> > > > components have become more critical. Exact clearance and torque
> > > > specifications must be followed, otherwise, expensive automotive
> > > > components
> > > > will rapidly turn into scrap metal."
> > > >
> > > > http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Olympus/8947/QA13.htm
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > The above example is not YOUR case, it is in the case of the
person
> > > asking
> > > > the question on that page.
> > > >
> > > > Greg
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Travis Goodwin [mailto:tgoodwin@xxxx]
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 10:47 AM
> > > > To: 'DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx'
> > > > Subject: RE: [DMCForum] Angle Torque... what the hell?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Of course I don't. That's why I'm asking!
> > > >
> > > > It is angle torque. I'm looking at the manual for installing the
> head
> > > > bolts
> > > > on the B28F. It says, and I quote:
> > > >
> > > > Angle torque cylinder head bolts
> > > > 1. loosen all bolts in sequence
> > > > 2. tighten all bolts 15-20 Nm in sequence
> > > > 3. angle torque 113-117 degrees in sequence. Use protractor
> 5098. Use
> > > > rocker
> > > > arm shaft as a line of reference when torquing.
> > > >
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> > > >
> > > >
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