Re: [DML] Buyers Guide book updates...
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Re: [DML] Buyers Guide book updates...



It might be better to actually gain some understanding about the laws in question
before you make sweeping claims about them.

It might also be better to actually read and understand a post before you comment
on it, especially if you are going to label it "stupid".

I will simply ignore the ad hominem statement about "get(ting) over yourselves".


On Oct 25, 2012, at 9:00 PM, Matthew Bozievich <matthewbozievich@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Okay, seriously, what is the big deal over this making a copy of a page of
> a user's manual for someone? He's not REPRODUCING it, he's making a
> PHOTOCOPY for someone. He owns the manual, he's allowed to make personal
> copies of a page of it to show people, that is NOT copyright infringement.
> If he wanted to reproduce the manual and sell it, or make his own manual
> and include pages from it, that's a different story.
> 
> Seriously people, get over yourselves. Just making a copy of a page of a
> document you purchased and own to show privately to someone as a courtesy
> is not copyright infringement, it's not illegal, and to suggest so is to
> just plain stupid. Dan, I'll personally pay all your legal fees if you get
> sued by DMCH over this nonsense, because it's not going to happen.
> 
> Matt
> #2681
> 
> On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 11:28 AM, Peter Lucas <lucas@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
> 
> > Mr. DeLorean may well have been a very generous man, and I am sure he
> > claimed to own the copyrights, trademarks and other intellectual property
> > from DMC. But, so do various other people with equal plausibility.
> > Reproducing these documents surely does violate SOMEBODY's IP rights. But
> > the history of this property is so convoluted, poorly-documented, and
> > contested that nothing short of a jury trial would settle any given
> > question. That will never happen, since the aggregate financial value of
> > all of these assets is negligible compared to the cost of that kind of
> > litigation.
> >
> > As a result of this, the bottom line is that most people do what they want
> > and get away with it. In a few cases, players with the motivation,
> > resources and tenacity to make consistent claims to ownership (such as DMCH
> > for the DeLorean trademarks) can stake claims that over time become
> > defensible -- assuming no one bellies up with an actual legal challenge in
> > the mean time. But, who would bother? There is nothing wrong with
> > this--it is how trademark law works, and it works pretty well overall.
> > Copyright is a little different, since unlike trademarks, ownership of
> > copyrights is supposed to be absolute until they expire (i.e., it is not
> > "use it or loose it"). But, unless somebody decides to start writing large
> > checks to lawyers (and, one notes that DMCH seems to have refrained from
> > this in the case of the copyrights), the question will remain unresolved
> > and this current free-for-all will prevail. This, too, is probably not a
> > bad outcome, all things considered.
> >
> > --Pete Lucas
> > VIN #06703
> >
> >
> > On Oct 25, 2012, at 1:30 AM, deloreanernst@xxxxxxx wrote:
> >
> > > Yes, but Mr. DeLorean was very generous to allow reproduction of such
> > original company materials, which he held the copyright for, for the good
> > of the owners. Hopefully that tradition continues.
> > > Wayne
> > > vin 11174
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: PAUL LEGUTKI <legutki@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > To: dmcnews <dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Sent: Mon, Oct 15, 2012 8:48 pm
> > > Subject: Re: [DML] Re: Buyers Guide book updates...
> > >
> > > Duh, as Homer might say. Isn't that copyright infringement ??
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: djdanwilson <djdanwilson@xxxxxxxxx>
> > > To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Sent: Mon, October 15, 2012 12:41:35 PM
> > > Subject: [DML] Re: Buyers Guide book updates...
> > >
> > > Hi Eric,
> > >
> > > My D and I are currently separated by 2,500 miles, and the manual is in
> > the
> > > glove box. The next time I see my car I will scan that page of the
> > manual and
> > > send it to you.
> > >
> > > Dan W.
> > >
> > > --- In dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Eric Pool <ericpool@...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Dan, can you send a out a picture of the transmission page?
> > > >
> > > > Eric
> > > >
> > > > Sent from my iPhone
> > > >
> > > > On Oct 14, 2012, at 2:35 PM, djdanwilson <djdanwilson@...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > James - It is white, without the black and silver cardstock cover.
> > It's also
> > >
> > > >printed on the thinner, glossy paper. I've only ever seen three '83
> > Owner's
> > > >Handbooks. I saw a perfect, unblemished example in a display case at
> > DCS in
> > > >either Gettysburg or Lexington in the museum room, and the two I own.
> > One came
> > > >in my car (in poor condition), and the other I bought from a vendor
> > table at
> > > DCS
> > > >in Gettysburg. I showed it to you there and asked if it was authentic,
> > and you
> > > >said, yes, from Consolidated. Perhaps you thought I was holding a late
> > '82
> > > >version? My manual transmission operation page is different from your
> > .pdf file
> > >
> > > >for sure. It warns of the gear grind and explains how to prevent it.
> > The next
> > > >time I know our paths will cross I'll bring one with me to show you.
> > The one
> > > >from my car came with a white dealer list I mentioned in Orlando. I'll
> > bring
> > > >that too.
> > > > >
> > > > > Dan W.
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
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> > >
> >
> > --Pete Lucas
> > VIN #06703
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
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> 
> 

Peter Lucas
lucas@xxxxxxxx





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