Re: [DML] Re: Chinese Crap
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Re: [DML] Re: Chinese Crap

OK - way off topic.  This thread needs to end.


From: content22207 <brobertson@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wed, May 16, 2012 12:54:33 PM
Subject: [DML] Re: Chinese Crap

With all due respect, the hard working men and women of the former Southern 
textile industry would probably take offense to being called "fat and lazy." 
Even though they received very minimal pay for their long hours in hard 
conditions, companies could get away with paying foreign workers even less, and 
so those jobs have gone overseas. Nearly every single Southern town includes a 
closed textile mill as part of its landscape. 

Speaking only to the examples in my original post:
- Made in USA wrenches, such as Craftsman (which I actually prefer over MAC and 
SnapOn), hold up better and are less likely to injure you than made in china 
wrenches. Ask any professional mechanic where his tools are made.
- Made in USA hand taps are much more precise and hold up better than made in 
china hand taps. I have never had a made in china tap cut threads as cleanly as 
a Made in USA tap (or die), and I've never had to dig out a snapped or broken 
Made in USA tap (made in china taps are particularly prone to break). Again, ask 
any professional machine shop where their taps and dies are made.
- The stripes in Annin flags are individually sewn. The stars are embroidered. 
Fabric is heavy weight. Colors are deep and bright. Edges have six rows of 
stitching to prevent fraying. Irrespective of country of origin, Annin flags are 
simply the best I've ever used. And they only cost about 50% more than a made in 
china lightweight printed flag. 

I do agree with you that rampant consumerism has become an unsustainable 
economic model. 

Bill Robertson

--- In dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Kevin Abato <delorean@...> wrote:
> Normally I would not reply to this since it is NOT Delorean related, but I
> felt the need to "enlighten" you on some of your statements and perhaps get
> you to rethink your views a bit.
> 1.  We function as a global economy.   There is no way that the United
> States (or any other country developed or developing) can grow, thrive, or
> maintain themselves without interaction and commerce from other markets.
> To believe otherwise is foolish and naive. 
> 2.  Although you might want to but a product "Made in America" the reality
> is that most items are made with base components that come from China,
> Indian, etc.   Basically, a large part of your purchasing dollars are still
> being filtered into foreign markets. 
> 3.  Why is it hard to find products made in America?  Because we have become
> a fat and lazy consumer economy.   The reality is that most people today in
> America believe it is "below them" to make less than $12+ to flip burgers at
> a local fast food place.    In the early part of the 1900s during the
> industrial revolution, we were happy to work 18 hours a day for merger pay
> just to have a chance at a better lifestyle and opportunity.   Such is the
> trend in emerging industrial markets in foreign countries.    Unless
> American ideals and mindsets change, we cannot compete with that.    I can
> assure you that if/when our economic market crashes again (worse than in
> 2008) and we are faced with the second great depression where people are
> homeless and waiting in food lines in the street to get a meal, that most of
> us will be MORE THAN HAPPY to work for very little to ensure necessities
> like food, clothing, and shelter for ourselves and our families.
> 4.  Control over your purchasing dollars?  I don't think so.    Let's assume
> for a minute that many of us try to make a difference and only buy American
> products.  Do you think you have control over what those American vendors
> spend their profits (or business costs) on?    Do you doubt that profitable
> business owners and their employees won't go and by the latest Apple
> product, other foreign made electronics? Etc?   Money will eventually find
> its way back into the global economy
> 5.  Chinese products are "Crap"?   I see a lot of people walking around with
> iPhones and iPads that are all made very inexpensively in China that work
> pretty damn well and have unmatched quality standards, and nobody seems to
> complain about them!     I was with a co-worker the other day who wanted a
> ceramic mug from Starbucks, but would not but it because it was made in
> China, when I questioned him about why, he said it was "inferior crap".    I
> challenged him to prove to me that a ceramic mug made in America would be
> made any better, or last longer.....
> 6.   Chinese currency is not the Yen.  That is Japanese.    Please check
> facts first before making statements Bill
> Kevin Abato
> Vin# 16680


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