Re: [DML] Upgraded Front Suspension
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Re: [DML] Upgraded Front Suspension

Byrne's LCA's. which are hulking 7.5 lbs masses of metal, would serve you well in NYC. They are *SO* much stronger than OEM arms. Rather than being folded up from a single piece of 16 gauge low carbon steel, they are welded up from 1/8" thick alloy steel plates. The spring perch is 1/4" thick, with 1/4" high sides (1/2" overall). The ball joint pad is 1/2" thick. Dimensionally they are 100% identical size as OEM arms, so they bolt right up with no re-alignment necessary.

My only complaint is lack of a grease fitting, which is easily retrofitted.

Bill Robertson

--- In dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "K.L. (KAYO) Ong" <klo@...> wrote:
> Marc and et all:
> Marc, you mention my name and the condition of NYC's streets I would  
> like to have an input of a similar situation with my Bentley and I  
> would follow it by questions....
> Some three and half plus decades ago, I acquired a S-1 Bentley which  
> was my daily car and used right up to 1996.  The streets of NYC were  
> horrible then and still are or worst today and I had constantly had  
> to replace the front-end parts and or realigned the front end of the  
> Bentley.  FYI, the front on the S-1 was always weak because it was a  
> "laminated design" which means the primary components was held  
> together with a multitude of nuts and bolts and locking fasteners of  
> RR design to prevent loosening...  And when hitting a good pot hole,  
> the front end would be out of alignment if not incurring damages...  
> BTW, the car was 4,700 pounds with no payload!!!
> So, the mechanic who serviced my Bentley (who is very in-depth with  
> the knowledge of the pre and post war Rolls Royce and Bentley cars),  
> had suggested to *transpose* a complete front end from an S-2, for  
> the S-2 major component's front end was a "casting" which is the  
> modern improvement over at that time over the older laminated design  
> and can take impacts better.  BTW, my mechanic was so good, that RR &  
> Bentley owners had their cars sent in containers that *other*  
> mechanics had failed to completed or done incorrectly!!!  These cars  
> would come from the West Coast, Florida and other parts of the USA  
> straight to his facility in Queens, New York....  He is that good and  
> following his advice was not a problem and I decided to do it.
> Several weeks later it was done and Rolls Royce headquarters was  
> notified of the modifications and to have it recorded.  RR  
> headquarters had sent a team of their experts to investigate.  The  
> experts could not believe that it was done to the specifications  
> WITHOUT the blueprints, the special design equipments and the jigs to  
> precisely install the front-end components...  Anyway, the new  
> installed front end was a charm in riding and it worked well and I  
> had driven the Bentley from 1975 until I acquired the DeLorean in 1996.
> Now the *question* was: If there was a failure, what would be the  
> legal responsibilities and to with whom?  Would the insurance company  
> or companies COVER the modified installation?
> This question can be applied to the modifications to the various  
> DeLoreans spoken.  In the last several days there have been much  
> chatter about the modification/upgrade and how well it works.  If  
> there's failure with the mods/upgrade sometime in the future and if  
> there are "property damages and bodily harm," what then?
> On another matter about front end suspension on the DeLorean...   
> Since my ownership from 1996, I had replaced the OEM front springs  
> and shocks with three sets of front ends springs and shocks.  The  
> different springs installed no matter who made or sold them, would  
> worked well for about six months.  Then they would start to sag.  It  
> seems to me that it takes awhile for the replacement front springs to  
> settle in and since my DeLorean was on the street used daily this may  
> have pushed the springs through a dynamic work out and more then the  
> designers had in mind?  Anyway, as a result in a twelve-month's time,  
> I had the radiator replaced or repaired twice because of the  
> bottoming.....  So, at the present, I am in the market for spring  
> spacers, which may alleviate the sagging problems?
> Hey, my DeLorean is Thrity Years old this month of October!!!
> Kayo Ong
> #5508
> Lic  9D NY
> On Oct 26, 2011, at 1:52 PM, Marc Levy wrote:
> > How did Lotus deal with the arc of the ARB? I realize Bill (and  
> > others) have said the ARB is flexible enough to move with the arc  
> > and not break the mounts- but I still have my doubts about that.
> >
> > Seeing someone like Kayo beat the crap out of this setup on NYC  
> > streets would probably be a good test. :)
> >
> > --- On Wed, 10/26/11, Martin Gutkowski <martin@...> wrote:
> >
> > > Mike mentioned that he had
> > > experimented with turning the lower arms into wishbones. He
> > > also said that while it is *his* approach, it is merely *an*
> > > approach. He acknowledged the reasons behind the design as
> > > it stands.
> > >
> > > Lotus went from a design almost identical to the Delorean
> > > towards what is effectively a lower wishbone.
> > >
> > > Martin
> > >
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


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