Re: [DML] Leaving the group: was binnacle removal issue

["content22207" <brobertson@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

You think DeLorean owners are NOT willing to travel & help?

Rich Acuti posted a vehicular crisis about 4 years ago. I drove up
from North Carolina. Dave Stragand drove down from Pennsylvania. We
all hung out in Mike Cohee's Maryland garage until dawn. 

Don't underestimate the ownership community.

Bill Robertson
#5939

>--- In dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, DMCVIN6683 <dmcvin6683@...> wrote:
>
> It would be nice if people would just buy the Manuals first, read  
> them and then ask questions if they dont understand.
> 
> People are too quick to ask for help instead of reading a Manual.
> 
> Future posts will be people asking for volunteers to come fix their  
> cars.
> 
> Mark V
> 
> 
> On Jan 27, 2008, at 1:54 PM, mike.griese@... wrote:
> 
> > Jordan - Thanks for the post.  You have made some keen observations.
> >
> > It is true that there are a number of repetitive questions that  
> > come up on
> > the list.  For simple things, it is usually just as fast to post  
> > the answer as
> > it is to refer someone to a "definitive" answer.  Some answers  
> > refuse to
> > be definitive - what tires to use changes over time as tire  
> > availability
> > changes, what LEDs to use for replacement lighting changes as  
> > technology
> > changes, etc.  And in some rare instances, discussing answers that
> > we thought were definitive uncovers a new solution.
> >
> > A key moderation policy of the list is that the list itself does  
> > not endorse
> > any particular solution to a problem.  The moderating team is not that
> > technically competant to be picking one solution over another if there
> > are differences of opinion.  It is up to list members to make their  
> > own
> > decisions about solutions to their problems.  Part of their decision-
> > making process should be to consider the source of the advice.
> >
> > Another key policy is that we don't try to prevent people from looking
> > like idiots on the list if that is what they want to do.  We try to  
> > pick off
> > the obviously dangerous advice, strive to weed out personal attacks,
> > and keep the forum focused on the car, the man and the company.
> > We aren't always as successful as we would like, however we seem
> > to be doing pretty well given how some of the other, non-DeLorean
> > automotive newsgroups run.
> >
> > Vendor participation in the list is welcome, but it does come with  
> > some
> > risk.  By and large, I believe that the vendor community has improved
> > over the years, both from a quality of offerings standpoint and from
> > a customer service standpoint.  Not all products that vendors come
> > up with are the best they could be out of the gate (the replacement
> > headlight switch is a good recent example), and the list helps  
> > identify
> > problems and determine solutions.  We have added some moderating
> > guidelines over the years to keep any vendor problems focused
> > on verifiable, first person issues and limit "piling on" to people who
> > have direct knowledge of the issue.  This has kept the outright  
> > bashing
> > to a minimum.
> >
> > Participation on the list is obviously a personal choice.  I  
> > appreciate
> > constructive feedback on how we are doing either directly or through
> > the list, as do the rest of the moderating team.  We want the list  
> > to be
> > useful and relevant to the participants - long timers, newbies,  
> > vendors,
> > or moderators.
> >
> > If there is something that could be done on the list or on the DMC  
> > News
> > website, we are open to suggestion, however be advised that any major
> > requests will probably be bounced right back at you - the moderators
> > are volunteers and have "real" jobs, and may not have the time,  
> > skill or
> > desire to implement your change directly.  An indexed archive would be
> > great, or a distillation of frequently discussed topics into a  
> > summary that
> > we could post on DMC News would be great if someone had the time
> > to do it (hint hint...).
> >
> > --
> > Mike Griese
> > DML Owner
> >
> >
> > -------------- Original message from jordan rubin  
> > <nuttenschleuder@...>: --------------
> >
> >
> >> Earlier, i sent out an email which was rejected by the moderator, and
> >> rightfully so. I will not be asking to resend the email. Ive had  
> >> more time to
> >> think about what I wrote, being not approved and all. Ive wondered  
> >> to what
> >> benefit this email would reach the would-be recipients. Frankly it  
> >> seems to me
> >> that as far as owners are concerned, there are people who can fix  
> >> everything, or
> >> figure out how, a small group who cant but want to learn, and  
> >> those who cant
> >> and have no desire to learn, unless the cost of the particular job  
> >> becomes too
> >> expensive to take to a mechanic. I guess my frustration comes from  
> >> the fact
> >> that the people who know what they are doing dont need step by  
> >> step guides, and
> >> the people who are clueless wouldnt bother spending the extra time  
> >> to find the
> >> information they need, unless it was spoon fed to them. The self  
> >> sufficient
> >> want to learn people, simply left.
> >>
> >> Ive spent enough years on the forum to see the same issue rise up  
> >> time and
> >> time again. With all of the tools which exist today to obtain  
> >> information, I
> >> find it rather surprising that folks who ask the simplest  
> >> questions time and
> >> time again are never urged to first look towards existing  
> >> information before
> >> posting. Repetitive questions are apparently not a consideration for
> >> moderation. As of late these questions are clogging up my iphone :)
> >>
> >> Perhaps i'm entirely wrong in this matter. maybe, since the car  
> >> itself hasn't
> >> changed much since its creation, or most definitely since the  
> >> company went
> >> under, that if the same issues weren't brought up, there wouldn't  
> >> be much to
> >> discuss.
> >>
> >> Other than repetitive questions, new delorean news and events, I  
> >> see a lot of
> >> drama, vendor bashing, and plenty of self-proclaimed engineers who  
> >> argue a point
> >> to no end, even if they are outright wrong, just to save face.  
> >> Should you take
> >> the time to look through the archives, youll see some amazing  
> >> perversions of
> >> physics and engineering as stated by some of the folks in dmcnews.  
> >> Some of
> >> these Emmy award winners belong on their own site!
> >>
> >> I guess I have simply outgrown dmcnews as i have outgrown dmcforum  
> >> some years
> >> ago.
> >>
> >> I do want to thank Elvis, who seems more often than not, answering  
> >> these emails
> >> with, Jordan already wrote a howto for that, just click on this  
> >> link. And a
> >> thank you to those who in the early days helped me out and  
> >> encouraged learning
> >> for myself, (the fishing rod, not the fish).
> >>
> >>
> >> Goodbye,
> >>
> >> Jordan
> >> 11613
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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