Re: [DML] Leaving the group: was binnacle removal issue
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Re: [DML] Leaving the group: was binnacle removal issue

Jordan - Thanks for the post.  You have made some keen observations.

It is true that there are a number of repetitive questions that come up on 
the list.  For simple things, it is usually just as fast to post the answer as 
it is to refer someone to a "definitive" answer.  Some answers refuse to 
be definitive - what tires to use changes over time as tire availability
changes, what LEDs to use for replacement lighting changes as technology
changes, etc.  And in some rare instances, discussing answers that
we thought were definitive uncovers a new solution.  

A key moderation policy of the list is that the list itself does not endorse
any particular solution to a problem.  The moderating team is not that
technically competant to be picking one solution over another if there
are differences of opinion.  It is up to list members to make their own
decisions about solutions to their problems.  Part of their decision-
making process should be to consider the source of the advice.  

Another key policy is that we don't try to prevent people from looking 
like idiots on the list if that is what they want to do.  We try to pick off
the obviously dangerous advice, strive to weed out personal attacks,
and keep the forum focused on the car, the man and the company.  
We aren't always as successful as we would like, however we seem
to be doing pretty well given how some of the other, non-DeLorean
automotive newsgroups run.

Vendor participation in the list is welcome, but it does come with some
risk.  By and large, I believe that the vendor community has improved
over the years, both from a quality of offerings standpoint and from 
a customer service standpoint.  Not all products that vendors come
up with are the best they could be out of the gate (the replacement
headlight switch is a good recent example), and the list helps identify
problems and determine solutions.  We have added some moderating
guidelines over the years to keep any vendor problems focused
on verifiable, first person issues and limit "piling on" to people who 
have direct knowledge of the issue.  This has kept the outright bashing
to a minimum.

Participation on the list is obviously a personal choice.  I appreciate
constructive feedback on how we are doing either directly or through 
the list, as do the rest of the moderating team.  We want the list to be 
useful and relevant to the participants - long timers, newbies, vendors, 
or moderators.

If there is something that could be done on the list or on the DMC News
website, we are open to suggestion, however be advised that any major
requests will probably be bounced right back at you - the moderators
are volunteers and have "real" jobs, and may not have the time, skill or 
desire to implement your change directly.  An indexed archive would be
great, or a distillation of frequently discussed topics into a summary that
we could post on DMC News would be great if someone had the time
to do it (hint hint...).  

Mike Griese
DML Owner

-------------- Original message from jordan rubin <nuttenschleuder@xxxxxxxxx>: -------------- 

> Earlier, i sent out an email which was rejected by the moderator, and 
> rightfully so. I will not be asking to resend the email. Ive had more time to 
> think about what I wrote, being not approved and all. Ive wondered to what 
> benefit this email would reach the would-be recipients. Frankly it seems to me 
> that as far as owners are concerned, there are people who can fix everything, or 
> figure out how, a small group who cant but want to learn, and those who cant 
> and have no desire to learn, unless the cost of the particular job becomes too 
> expensive to take to a mechanic. I guess my frustration comes from the fact 
> that the people who know what they are doing dont need step by step guides, and 
> the people who are clueless wouldnt bother spending the extra time to find the 
> information they need, unless it was spoon fed to them. The self sufficient 
> want to learn people, simply left. 
> Ive spent enough years on the forum to see the same issue rise up time and 
> time again. With all of the tools which exist today to obtain information, I 
> find it rather surprising that folks who ask the simplest questions time and 
> time again are never urged to first look towards existing information before 
> posting. Repetitive questions are apparently not a consideration for 
> moderation. As of late these questions are clogging up my iphone :) 
> Perhaps i'm entirely wrong in this matter. maybe, since the car itself hasn't 
> changed much since its creation, or most definitely since the company went 
> under, that if the same issues weren't brought up, there wouldn't be much to 
> discuss. 
> Other than repetitive questions, new delorean news and events, I see a lot of 
> drama, vendor bashing, and plenty of self-proclaimed engineers who argue a point 
> to no end, even if they are outright wrong, just to save face. Should you take 
> the time to look through the archives, youll see some amazing perversions of 
> physics and engineering as stated by some of the folks in dmcnews. Some of 
> these Emmy award winners belong on their own site! 
> I guess I have simply outgrown dmcnews as i have outgrown dmcforum some years 
> ago. 
> I do want to thank Elvis, who seems more often than not, answering these emails 
> with, Jordan already wrote a howto for that, just click on this link. And a 
> thank you to those who in the early days helped me out and encouraged learning 
> for myself, (the fishing rod, not the fish). 
> Goodbye, 
> Jordan 
> 11613 
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