Let's try again; Facts and "The airline terminal" - Concours d'Elegance

[FatBoy <fatboy7@xxxx>]

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Hello Mr. Espey,

Let's slow down for a minute or two and clarify some of facts regarding Concours d' Elegance competition as it relates to DeLorean automobiles.

Permit me to begin with this statement: This issue will not be resolved with a few off-the-cuff remarks by a few uninformed, wannabe, know-it-alls in this forum.

Let's start by eliminating some of the people who, using the automotive vernacular, begin by "running off at the mouth before putting their brain into gear"! Let's start by agreeing on one given fact; I own a DeLorean automobile.

Unlike the prevailing desire of several of the individuals who post regularly to this forum and would like to modify the rules of Concours d'Elegance competition to fit their personal poor quality automobiles and modifications, you must admit at the onset that each of you has a very limited knowledge of what real Concours d'Elegance competition is all about. 

Let's also play this game by the following rules: Each member of the DeLorean Mailing List who is participating in this exercise and/or is monitoring the progress of this effort, goes back into the archives of the DML and reads each of the previous postings of the respondents by searching by their first and/or last name and by their posted V.I.N.

For example: Mr. Teitelbaum, (VIN #10757) I seem to remember I read somewhere you posted that you won a second place trophy in the Concours d'Elegance at the Cleveland event in the past. However, you neglected to advise us who won First Place and how many other cars were competing that day in Concours d'Elegance competition. If memory serves me correctly, there were only 4 DeLorean automobiles competing in Concours d'Elegance area of the competition that day. We're not talking about daily drivers or Peoples Choice cars. Second place in an "Ugly Woman" contest gives you neither the right nor a stake in how the rules are created, interpreted and applied. Mr. Teitelbaum, pause for a moment and consider the fact that you simply own a DeLorean automobile like all the other owners who monitor this forum. Second place does not qualify you to write the rules for us!

Mr. Battles, (VIN: 06569): How many DeLorean automobiles have you owned? If we search the archives of the DML using your name and/or VIN number will we discover that you have had problems with this and perhaps other DeLorean automobiles? 

Mr. Marc Levy : Didn't you have some problem with your car when you refused to heed the advice of DeLorean service facility professional to repair your exhaust manifolds and/or head gaskets and overheated on the way home from the service facility? I don't recall the exact posting or how long ago it was posted, but I'm sure we can all look it up under your name! Doesn't your DeLorean have a turbo charger? Is it lowered?

Mr. Michael Pack: How many DeLorean automobiles have you owned? Do you own one at this time? Have you ever entered a Concours d'Elegance for DeLorean automobiles?

What gives you the right to require the Concours d'Elegance judges to list their credentials? Get into the competition and let's see what you bring to the table!

Mr. Knut Grimsrud: Well, I am impressed with the fact that you can read the judging manual and have the willingness to review and study your judging assignment. Have you ever participated in DeLorean automobile Concours d'Elegance competition? How did you fare? Just because one goes to medical school and reads a few books on procedures, does that make that individual a qualified doctor? If you require 30 minutes to judge a portion of a DeLorean automobile and another qualified individual can judge the same area in 10 or 15 minutes, does that make you a better judge or just a slower judge?

Marty Maier: Just because you are a DML Moderator, what are your credentials that permit you the opportunity to question the motives and/or qualifications of Michael Pack? Can we look-up your name and VIN history in the archives of the DML and read the condition of your car and your qualifications as a prospective judge?

Now for the time being, this little exercise brings us back to Mr. James Espey's comments. To begin: 1. Do you own a DeLorean automobile Mr. Espey? 2. If so, what is your complete Vehicle Identification Number? 3. Is this the same 1981 DeLorean automobile for which you bought a used 1983 Door from Bob Miller in North or South Carolina and installed on your car when you were a Moderator on the DML a while ago? 4. Was that a correct replacement for a damaged door on car that may be judged for Concours d'Elegance competition some day or evaluated for investment purposes? Did you advise the purchaser that the door had been changed? By the way, there are at least 3 different DeLorean automobile door panel configurations. 

Mr. Espey, how can you assert that DeLorean One and the DeLorean Owners Association were willing to "let it (Concours) die"? Upon what facts do you base this allegation? My documentation reveals that Ed Bernstein of DeLorean One wrote the first Concours d'Elegance judging manual and rule book in January 1986 to be used in the 1st DeLorean automobile Concours d'Elegance, sponsored by DeLorean One in the gardens of the Armor Estate in Lake Forest, Illinois? Did you have a driver's license in January 1986? When did you buy your DeLorean automobile?

Why do you state that the DeLorean Owner's Association let the DeLorean automobile Concours d'Elegance competition die? Do you know who Dorothy Bradley Gates is? Do you know who Anthony Ieradi is? Do you know any of the Concours DeLorean judges and DeLorean Owners Association Concours d'Elegance judges who have re-worked and refined the original DeLorean competition regulations from 1986 until October 1999 when The DeLorean Motor Company Concours was FIRST held in St. Louis, Missouri at the DeLorean Owners Association Exposition that year? Mr. Espey, that was only 30 months ago!

Mr. Espey, you didn't "write the book", you simply expanded upon some of the guidelines that had been in place for 14 years with additional information discovered in documentation which was unknown by the general ownership prior to transfer of ownership by the KAPAC Company in Columbus, Ohio.

Now, If the DeLorean Owners Association held a DeLorean automobile Concours d'Elegance in St. Louis, Missouri as recently as 30 months ago, how can you say they let it die?

You also neglected to say that Ed and Millie Bernstein flew to the DeLorean Owners Association Expo in St. Louis, Missouri from California that year and after the Expo flew directly from St. Louis to New York City to board the Concorde for a round-trip wedding anniversary trip to London and Paris. You also forgot to mention that Bernstein/DeLorean One elected to forgo their sponsorship of the Concours d'Elegance (Concours DeLorean) that year because of the limited amount of time and personnel available to them because of their conflicting, tight vacation schedule.

Now if you can all take a breather and ponder the points mentioned; do a little homework and research into the DML archives; check the past issues of DeLorean World Magazine and get your facts straight, we can explore this matter further in the near future.

By the way. a "concourse" is a large open space for crowds, as in an airline terminal. 

If you can't spell Concours d'Elegance, how can you dummies write the rule book and compete as a participant? Surely, none of you have earned the privilege of using the word "Concours d'Elegance" in it's abbreviated form, you simply can't spell it!

Fatboy



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