> Mike, > what you are saying is correct I agree with you one hundred percent. You > are saying that the bars are only cold treated on the surface and not to the > core, so when you take away that treated surface the bar becomes weak, > correct? Somehow earlier in this thread the discussion changed from the suspension torsion bars to the torsion bars in the doors or the other way around. The suspension torsion bars are not stainless steel, they will rust, and I suppose they could be turned on a lathe for cleaning. The door torsion bars are an entirely different animal. Let's all get on the same page here so that the left hand knows what the right hand is doing. Or perhaps the moderators should just close out this thread. Regards, Ed Thompson (#6419 since 1982) Midlothian, VA