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Title: [DML] Digest Number 1080

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There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. ADMIN Re: Where are all the photos?!
           From: "daveswingle2" <dswingle@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
      2. performance numbers
           From: "Mike Aninger" <mike@xxxxxxxxx>
      3. Fw: Memphis meet
           From: "Marvin" <marv@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
      4. Re: acceleration noise found! how to fix??
           From: "basfe25" <drrub46@xxxxxxxxxxx>
      5. The BTTF DVD Box Set
           From: Travis Goodwin <tgoodwin@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
      6. Re: stock delorean
           From: "_designer_" <_designer_@xxxxxxxxx>
      7. RE: Where are all the photos?!
           From: "IN2TIME" <Gary@xxxxxxxxxxx>
      8. Re: Re: Water Leaks
           From: njp548@xxxxxxx
      9. 3 things appeared
           From: "erikgeerdink" <erikgeerdink@xxxxxxxxx>
     10. Lots of e-mails
           From: kkoncelik@xxxxxxx
     11. The car won't start anymore!
           From: Travis Goodwin <tgoodwin@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
     12. I enjoyed meeting you all at the Memphis show
           From: "twinenginedmc12" <twinenginedmc12@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
     13. Re: Where are all the photos?!
           From: "kynthos10" <kynthos10@xxxxxxxxx>
     14. Re: Water Leaks
           From: jwit6@xxxxxx
     15. need a part
           From: "Marvin" <marv@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
     16. RE: Where are all the photos?!
           From: "Brian McCool" <bjmccool@xxxxxxxxx>
     17. Re: acceleration noise found! how to fix?? *heat stove*
           From: "adam_one_million" <acprice1@xxxxxxxxxxx>
     18. Re: Memphis Sunstar contest
           From: "Tamir Ardon" <tamir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
     19. Memphis AC problem
           From: Delorean17@xxxxxxx
     20. RE: Where are all the photos?!
           From: "Montgomery, Ken" <kenm@xxxxxxxx>
     21. Elusive idle speed
           From: "tmasterlc" <tmasterlc@xxxxxxx>
     22. Delorean Mid Atlantic Site Activities Update
           From: "Kevin Abato" <delorean@xxxxxxxxx>
     23. RE: Financing a delorean-Question to all
           From: "Kevin Abato" <delorean@xxxxxxxxx>
     24. Re: Where are all the photos? - Here they are!
           From: "Hank Eskin" <heskin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
     25. RE: Memphis
           From: "Brian McCool" <bjmccool@xxxxxxxxx>


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Message: 1
   Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 13:37:33 -0000
   From: "daveswingle2" <dswingle@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: ADMIN Re: Where are all the photos?!

Cautionary note on the Yahoo Photos section - in deference to us all
with slow connections, and the fact that there is a limit to the file
space, PLEASE reduce the resolution of the photos. Properly sized
they should come out to about 20k per shot or less. Thanks.

Since people always ask, you access the Photos file by logging into
Yahoo Groups. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews/

Also - please use the folder called "Memphis 02".

Dave <--deleter of large photos

--- In dmcnews@xxxx, "Marc A. Levy" <malevy@xxxx> wrote:
> Lots of pictures were taken in Memphis...  Anyone plan on sharing
them?
>
> We all have Yahoo accounts, so you can put them on your Geocities
web space... or, in the mailing list photos sections.




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Message: 2
   Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 10:35:37 -0400
   From: "Mike Aninger" <mike@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: performance numbers

There is a lot of talk about the stock performance of a "D" these days.  What I want to know is the numbers (quarter mile, 0-60) for the "D"s out there with performance upgrades!  I have seen so many pics of turbo charged cars, but no numbers.  What about the Stage I performance package that DMC Houston offers?  198 horsepower is the boasted number for horsepower, but I know this is measured on the enginge only.  Has anyone Dyno'ed any of these monsters yet?

Don't get me wrong.  I love this car for it's style, doors, SS, and history.  I just see all kinds of people with upgrades and engine swaps and no numbers.  Does the hard work and savings depletion pay off on the road, or was it just fun to do the project?  Hope to hear from ya'll soon!

-Mike A.
     Spread your gull wings and fly!


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Message: 3
   Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 10:40:38 -0400
   From: "Marvin" <marv@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Fw: Memphis meet


Subject: Memphis meet


 After driving solo over 1200 miles back to Canada from Memphis, I had time
 to reflect on the experience of living the dream, driving the dream, and
 sharing the dream with so many other unique people.

  I want to add my name to the growing list who must  thank Ken for the well
 organized, and extremely successful DeLorean meet. Ken and his loving,
 enthusiastic family are to be congratulated. Had a super time!!!!

 Thanks also to DMC Joe who fixed a few minor things for me and Don Steger
 for some tips on fixing my exhaust manifold leak. Nice people!

 Contrary to the complaints and problems that take up alot space on this
 list, my car ran perfectly both ways with no problems during the 2500
miles.
 (other than the small manifold leak) The seats are more comfortable than my
 Cadillac STS. Gas mileage was good - around 23 MPG - @ 80+ MPH  (
+-130kph).

 Met some really good people, shared many stories, put faces to names, drank
 too much Southern Comfort.

 In  2 years - hello again -  in Valley Forge, Tenn.

 Have only 7 souvenir glasses left over. Make me an offer!

 Marv
 #17707

 Marvin Stein
 email: marv@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
 tel:  519-434-1666
 fax: 519-434-7071






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Message: 4
   Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 14:47:40 -0000
   From: "basfe25" <drrub46@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: acceleration noise found! how to fix??

Another fix would be to remove the heat stove and the Shutter-Air
Inlet (goes inbetween the air filter and the throtle body). Most
people have it off (including me) and I got a straight plastic hose
to go from the air cleaner to the throttle body from PJ Grady. It
will also give you an unrestricted air flow. The valve is there to
help the engine during warm up to restrict the amount of air going
into it. As it warms up the heat from the manifold/heat stove opens
the valve and allows more air in.

Steve

--- In dmcnews@xxxx, "tmpintnl" <tobyp@xxxx> wrote:
> Andy - It sounds like you are talking about the "heat stove" that
> supplies hot air to the intake for cold start up.  There was quite
a
> bit of chatter on the list about this part ... apparently it can
no
> longer be found.  Somebody who is handy with "tin work" could
> probably patch it back together, but you would have to get it off
> first.  The rusty studs, etc. could be a problem.  You'll have to
> decide how deep you want to go, considering the potential
challenges
> with sheared off studs, etc.  There was also much talk on the List
> about getting the manifolds off, so there might be some good ideas
in
> that thread.  Good luck.
>
> Toby Peterson  VIN 2248
> Winged1
>
> --- In dmcnews@xxxx, Soma576@xxxx wrote:
> > Hey all,
> >i think the noise i've heard upon accelerating from 2500-2900 RPM
> >is a thin metal heatshield that goes over the pass side exhaust
> >manifold.  it is super rusty and loose because it looks like some
> straps or mounts are broken.
> >




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Message: 5
   Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 11:18:47 -0400
   From: Travis Goodwin <tgoodwin@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: The BTTF DVD Box Set

Universal has announced its US release for December 17, 2002.

[MODERATOR NOTE: This is an element of genuine news.  Please do not follow up with BTTF speculation and commentary.  -Moderator Mike Substelny]



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Message: 6
   Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 15:36:48 -0000
   From: "_designer_" <_designer_@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: stock delorean

Perhaps there is justification for the deception of poor acceleration
& quarter mile times?

My fellow DMC owners, if the high #'s are there to keep our insurance
rates low or something... then let mne know and I won't let the cat
out of the bag!!!  I know its not to keep the Police off our backs; I
got a ticket for doing 67 in a 65 MPH zone (open rural road) :(




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Message: 7
   Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 10:41:30 -0500
   From: "IN2TIME" <Gary@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: Where are all the photos?!

There are a LOT of pictures up at www.deloreancarshow.com and
www.DMCNews.com.

If anyone would like to send more (or better) digital/digitized photos
for publication on the  www.deloreancarshow.com site, we can probably
work out a way for you to get them to me and up on the site. (I never
claimed that I was a photographer :^)

If you have a site with a significant collection of show photos, I can
link to it.

I would really like to get/see pictures of the models.  I think I was
on-route to the helicopter for the aerial shots when they were on
display.

Thanks!

Gary
IN2TIME

-----Original Message-----
From: Marc A. Levy [mailto:malevy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 7:31 AM
To: DMC News (E-mail)
Subject: [DML] Where are all the photos?!


Lots of pictures were taken in Memphis...  Anyone plan on sharing them?

We all have Yahoo accounts, so you can put them on your Geocities web
space... or, in the mailing list photos sections.



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Message: 8
   Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 12:50:35 EDT
   From: njp548@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Re: Water Leaks

In a message dated 6/19/02 10:12:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
DMCVegas@xxxxxxxx writes:

<< Then if you have the leak, try
 tracing it back.
  >>
Hey Dave,

    Maybe your trying to find the leak the wrong way.  Why not try to find it
from the inside out?  Try using the hose on any part of the inside of the car
you think the leak might be and then take a look outside the car to see if
you can see water coming out.  That might help!  :)  J/K.  I just found out I
have a leak on my windshield also.  As we were driving into Memphis on
thursday, we hit a LOT of rain on the highway, and water just happened to run
in along the drivers side A pillar.

Later,
Nick Pitello
1852
15914
<A HREF="" href="Http://members.aol.com/njp548">Http://members.aol.com/njp548">Http://members.aol.com/njp548</A>



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Message: 9
   Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 17:00:27 -0000
   From: "erikgeerdink" <erikgeerdink@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: 3 things appeared

Well, My car ran...and runs....great!  no major problems going to
Memphis and back...except maybe the lack of A/C.  Many people saw me
fanning out my shirt and putting icebags on my body to cool me down
while I was in the car. 
Anyway, there were a couple of things that popped up when i was
driving the distance that I'd like to fix.

1. my clutch pedal squeaks.  Not very often, but occasionally it
squeaks.  Usually after I've been driving for a while.

2. after my car warms up it grinds when shifting into 5th.  This
never happens when the car is cold.

3. One the way there and back it rained a couple of times.  I noticed
that while it was raining, my car would hesitate a bit when
accelerating.  It only rained while I was on the highway, and
everytime it would cause my car to hesitate.  It was like the jerking
a car gets when you powerwash an engine.  Once it stopped
raining...the problem went away.  I haven't checked anything out on
my D yet.  I thought I would post here first to see what you guys
think.

My wife (Cici) and I had a great time in Memphis.  She really had a
fun time singing to you all.  this was the first time she has been to
a car show.  She said she has a new found appreciation for the car. 
It was great to see everyone again, and to meet new people!! 
My favorite car is the twin engine Delorean.  it was interesting to
talk with the creator of that.  If you are on the list, please email
me.  i would like to keep in touch.

Thanks!!!!

Erik Geerdink
4512




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Message: 10
   Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 13:24:31 -0400
   From: kkoncelik@xxxxxxx
Subject: Lots of e-mails

Hi
I guess I got some of you hooked on the Memphis show.
I never saw it so I couldn't tell you, I was so busy LOL

Anyway there are a number of e-mails that I received asking
about where to register for the next one. (june 10-13 2004)

I think it went something like Pigeon who? or Pigeon what?

and Smoky where?

Well I assure you this will be another great show.

The Hotel is Smoky Shadows in Pigeon Forge Tennessee.
here is the web page

 http://www.smokyshadows.com/

and yes you can register just tell them you are with the DeLorean Car Show

Rooms are $59, $119 and $159 I believe.

We will be adding this to the DeLorean Car Show Web page as soon as we can

I'm still tired :-)

thanks

Ken




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Message: 11
   Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 13:26:57 -0400
   From: Travis Goodwin <tgoodwin@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: The car won't start anymore!

I just got the car back from a guy who had it for 2 months and ended up
working on it exactly 1 hour. From what I can tell he took out the
tamper-proof screw to adjust the CO mixture (using a dwell meter) and worked
on the fuel regulator.

I drove it home and it was fine. The next day, it started up again and was
fine. Only when I got my destination did the trouble begin.

When I went to start the car I got nothing. The engine turned over and over
with no result. I popped a spark plug wire to check if I was getting spark
and it wasn't. So, I replaced the ignition coil.

Now the car turns over and over and you can hear it almost starting but it
stops just short. It's so very close. I can feel the car wants to start but
something is preventing it. What could that thing be?





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Message: 12
   Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 18:31:52 -0000
   From: "twinenginedmc12" <twinenginedmc12@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: I enjoyed meeting you all at the Memphis show

Hello.

My name is Rick Gendreau (the guy with the twin engine Delorean). 
This is my first posting on the DMC news list, as I've just joined
today.  The Memphis car show, which was my first car show of any
kind, was one of the most fun weekends I can remember having.  I very
much enjoyed meeting you all, and seeing all of your cars, both the
skillfully modified ones, and the ones diligently maintained as stock
to preserve the Delorean heritage.  A special thanks to Ken for
talking me out of bailing.  I would have really missed out.  I'm also
thankful to Kathryn Delorean for signing my hood.

Please feel free to email me, I'll check it once or twice a day.
Until next time







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Message: 13
   Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 19:06:50 -0000
   From: "kynthos10" <kynthos10@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Where are all the photos?!

Go to the DeLorean Car Show site, dmcnews.com, or you can order
prints of my photos at
www.geocities.com/musical_penguin10/Delorean.html (the pics should be
up by the end of this week)

Thanks!
Cindy

--- In dmcnews@xxxx, "Marc A. Levy" <malevy@xxxx> wrote:
> Lots of pictures were taken in Memphis...  Anyone plan on sharing
them?
>
> We all have Yahoo accounts, so you can put them on your Geocities
web space... or, in the mailing list photos sections.




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Message: 14
   Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 15:34:30 EDT
   From: jwit6@xxxxxx
Subject: Re: Water Leaks

Mine leaked through the cloth attached to the carpet and upholstery on the LH
kick/knee pad area. It seems the cloth acts as a wick to allow water to
migrate behind the inner weather strip at the front leading edge of the door,
and accumulate or drip onto the knee bolster and LH inner front door sill
area.
Jim 6147



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Message: 15
   Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 14:56:45 -0400
   From: "Marvin" <marv@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: need a part

I'm in need of a used exhaust manifold for the driver's side of a DeLorean
motor.  I'm told that if the motor was in a Volvo, I should describe it as
the passenger side exhaust manifold, because the motor would be facing the
front of the vehicle.  Any one help me?

Marvin Stein
#17707
email: marv@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
tel:  519-434-1666
fax: 519-434-7071





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Message: 16
   Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 17:32:22 -0500
   From: "Brian McCool" <bjmccool@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: Where are all the photos?!

Once my girlfriend gets the pictures she took developed, I'll try and post
some. She took 7 rolls of film at Memphis!








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Message: 17
   Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 22:50:13 -0000
   From: "adam_one_million" <acprice1@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: acceleration noise found! how to fix?? *heat stove*

I think that www.pearce-design.com now has new manifold heat stoves
available. I think they are made of stainless this time too.

Adam Price



--- In dmcnews@xxxx, "tmpintnl" <tobyp@xxxx> wrote:
> Andy - It sounds like you are talking about the "heat stove" that
> supplies hot air to the intake for cold start up.  There was quite
a
> bit of chatter on the list about this part ... apparently it can no
> longer be found.  Somebody who is handy with "tin work" could
> probably patch it back together, but you would have to get it off
> first.  The rusty studs, etc. could be a problem.  You'll have to
> decide how deep you want to go, considering the potential
challenges
> with sheared off studs, etc.  There was also much talk on the List
> about getting the manifolds off, so there might be some good ideas
in
> that thread.  Good luck.
>
> Toby Peterson  VIN 2248
> Winged1
>
> --- In dmcnews@xxxx, Soma576@xxxx wrote:
> > Hey all,
> >i think the noise i've heard upon accelerating from 2500-2900 RPM
> >is a thin metal heatshield that goes over the pass side exhaust
> >manifold.  it is super rusty and loose because it looks like some
> straps or mounts are broken.
> >




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Message: 18
   Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 18:00:55 -0500
   From: "Tamir Ardon" <tamir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Memphis Sunstar contest

To Ian and list,

Pictures of my modified Sunstar model will be on my web-site throughout the
next few weeks as my updates trickle in.  Expect big things from the updates
to my site, and my sister site, Rich's Projects.  As usual, there will be a
lot of video interviews and high quality pictures.  I was able to ride in
the Hovercraft DeLorean, and there will be video of that as well.

In regards to my sunstar model, I modified it to reflect my car.  I made
black headlight covers, carpeted the floor and parcel shelf, and painted the
seats and coin holder black.  Unfortunately, the competition at the show was
lacking, the only other entry was a car that didn't seem to have any
modifications.  I am sure there are others out there that have done a lot
more to there models, but none seemed to be at the show.  Next time I plan
to make a few wild ones. :)

Ken put on a hell of a show, and I think everyone had a lot of fun.  Hope to
see everyone there in 2004!

Regards,
Tamir
http://www.entermyworld.com
http://www.entermyworld.com/rich




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Message: 19
   Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 20:03:45 EDT
   From: Delorean17@xxxxxxx
Subject: Memphis AC problem

Ken,
    I had a great time in Memphis.  The Caravan down with 17 DeLoreans was
pretty amazing.  Martys car was my favorite.  It was quite modified yet still
looked like it could have come out of the factory that way.  Nice work!
      Everything was fine until my AC drain line got plugged up(again).  When
I came home I removed both seats and carpet sections before it started to get
musty in there.     I can unclog the drain with compressed air but then it
clogs back up within and hour.  I talked to Don Steger in Memphis and he said
that it can be fixed without removing the entire box.  He said to buy a 2
inch hole cutter and cut out a hole in the bottom of the evap box so you can
reach in and remove all of the junk.  I think I might do this tomorrow but
before I start I need to know where I should drill this 2" hole...  I don't
want to cut anything inside the box.  Has anyone on the list performed this
operation?  Any info would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks

Dave Phelps
6286-IN2TIME



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Message: 20
   Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 17:10:58 -0700
   From: "Montgomery, Ken" <kenm@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: Where are all the photos?!

I just put most of my photos up. you can see them from a link on the
www.ncdmc.org wesite. I'll add comments as I have time.

As to a 2003 event.. We'll see. You can't imagine how much work that is! I
had 100 people at the event last year. Ken had 500 in Memphis. If I brought
JZD to a 'DeLorean Car Show West', how many people would come? Would I get
enough help?  As I said, We'll see..

Ken
=======================================================
Ken Montgomery  Sacramento, CA  VIN #10911  'OUTTIME'
http://pages.sbcglobal.net/montkw/delorean/index.htm
mailto:kenm@xxxxxxxx
President, Northern California DeLorean Motor Club
http://www.ncdmc.org
Keeper of the International DeLorean Owners Directory
http://www.dmcnews.com  mailto:directory@xxxxxxxxxxx
=======================================================


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Marc A. Levy [mailto:malevy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 5:31 AM
> To: DMC News (E-mail)
> Subject: [DML] Where are all the photos?!
>
>
> Lots of pictures were taken in Memphis...  Anyone plan on
> sharing them?
>
> We all have Yahoo accounts, so you can put them on your
> Geocities web space... or, in the mailing list photos sections.



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Message: 21
   Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 00:26:53 -0000
   From: "tmasterlc" <tmasterlc@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Elusive idle speed

Looking for input on an elusive idle speed.  When started cold it
sits between 900-1000 rpm.  After about a two minute warm up the rpms
step up to 1500 and the idle gets a bit rough (a little sputtering). 
Plugs, wires, cap, rotor have been recently changed along with vacuum
lines and misc. other odds n ends.  This problem has only come up
within the last couple weeks and before that everything was fine. 
Have checked all vacuum hose connections for leaks and have found
none.  Micro switch is engaging and does kick down the rpm but only
to the 1500 range.  Throttle plates are closed and linkage is not
hanging up.  What puzzles me is the change as the engine warms up. 
Any thoughts

Car drives fine and accelerates through all gears without any probs.

Ron

P.S.  Great show Ken.




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Message: 22
   Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 21:03:20 -0400
   From: "Kevin Abato" <delorean@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Delorean Mid Atlantic Site Activities Update

Hey Mid-Atlantic Owners!  Get out of your lazy summer afternoon hammock, and
come join us for some upcoming events!

We have just updated out events calendar, and you can find all the latest
information here:
http://www.deloreanmidatlantic.com/events/events.htm

Hope to see you out and about!  (Remember, what better way for you to get
that summer tan than standing in a parking lot with stainless steel cars all
around you!)

For more information about joining the Delorean Mid-Atlantic Club, see out
main site at www.deloreanmidatlantic.com and go to the membership page!




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Message: 23
   Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 21:08:37 -0400
   From: "Kevin Abato" <delorean@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: Financing a delorean-Question to all

I financed mine via www.jjbest.com

---
[duplicate quote snipped by moderator]



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Message: 24
   Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 21:15:45 -0400
   From: "Hank Eskin" <heskin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Where are all the photos? - Here they are!

> Lots of pictures were taken in Memphis...  Anyone plan on sharing them?

I ditched using ofoto.com since it now *requires* people to login to view
photos.. so I uploaded them to my own site.  You can view them here:

http://www.eskin.net/delorean/memphis1.html

This is just an index page with links to all the photos, which will each
open up in a new browser window. They are all raw/large (500k-1MB), so I
suggest using a high-speed connection to view them.

Also, don't miss the two panoramic shots towards the bottom of the page.

Enjoy!

-Hank Eskin




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Message: 25
   Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 20:40:18 -0500
   From: "Brian McCool" <bjmccool@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: Memphis

I think everyone that attended was blown away by all of Ken's hard work. I
think the only thing I might suggest is shortening the raffle a little.
Since the raffles took place at the end of the night, I think some people
may have nodded off (my dad in particular). It's probably safe to say that
most of us would have been willing to buy the tickets and had only the more
sought after donations from the vendors be raffled away. I'm not sure if
anyone would have missed all the fireflies and wash brushes. Just a
suggestion.

-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Mueller [mailto:scott.a.mueller@xxxxxxx]
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 5:17 PM
To: Delorean Mailing List
Subject: [DML] Memphis


> Did anyone have fun in Memphis?
>
> I did, I did.
>
> Scott Mueller
> 002981



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